Documentary tonight: Breaking Hate.

No, it was not a 'mistake'. It would be a 'mistake' if I said, 'Renee is a conservative and a Trump supporter'. But if I said 'Renee is a secret communist, like all liberals, and wants to burn down the churches and put us all in gulags' that would be a deliberate smear.

The SPLC staff are leftists, and one of the themes of modern-day Leftism is that the Oppressed Can Do No Wrong. So any group that is critical of Islam, is automatically suspect to a Lefty.

They are also dishonest when dealing with groups like the 'Proud Boys' and the 'Oath Keepers'.
Renee, they are liars.

Here is what the OathKeepers' President said before the August 17 March in Portland on why they would NOT be taking part::

And here is what the SPLC says about them:

"It seemed clear" .... read that sentence again. It incorporates the diseased mentality of the radicalizing Left: innocent black 'protestors' -- who were burning the town down -- obviously have a right to take out their anger on evil white businesses. And the SPLC staff are telepaths: they can read the minds of the OathKeepers.

I am sure some members of Congress quote them. That's actually a disqualification in my mind: some -- one for sure -- liberal Democrats in Congress were on the payroll of the Soviet NKVD. And if the SPLC had been around then, he would no doubt have relied on heavily on it, as he set up the House UnAmerican Activities Committee.

 

How do you know their political affiliations? It’s very telling that when people care about hate groups they must be liberals. When people are very well educated they are accused of being liberals I hope you will tell the government that the SPLC That all their research is wrong and that those white supremacy groups are just clubs

 

How is Northam doing?

 

They are a smear machine for the left and have the record to prove it. It's a long read and I doubt you will even open it, so posted for those that will.

The Admission That SPLC's 'Hate Group' False Accusation is a Scam ...

https://pjmedia.com › trending › splcs-hate-group-accusation-outed-as-a-sc...
Apr 10, 2019 - Last year, the SPLC paid $3.375 million to settle a defamation lawsuit involving similar accusations. Now more than 60 organizations falsely ...

 

Looks like so far they haven't been very good a it. Only white supremacists have bodies.

Sorry fella. I don't support them. But they are nowhere near the level of moral depravity of white supremacists.

 

What's the moral difference? Where have "white supremist" shut down black political events and burned down private property and attacked them? The only one I know of was Charlottesville and his mother said he was not a member of any "white supremacist" groups.

 

"Shut down political events"??

Dude! White supremacists kill people!

It's scary to see so many people on this forum defending white supremacists. Actually, more than "scary" it's disappointing....

 

I can’t believe they were wrong. Gasp! Therefore we should avoid all of their research. How silly of me to think that there are actually hate groupsNext thing you know they’ll be paying millions to settle for a fraudulent university. Next thing you know they’ll be paying off women they had sex with.

 

Keep defending white supremacists. Trump sure knows his base

 

Like I thought, you would not read it, just go "Orange Man Bad".

 

How does one answer such a post? It's technically possible to take each sentence, each phrase, and do the equivalent of saying, "But I never said it nor did I imply it" ... but I presume any rational person of Left or Right who has read our exchange is just shaking their head and moving on.

However, if anything thinks that I implied "all their research is wrong" or that "white supremacy groups are just clubs" please say so and I will respond.

As for the assertion that "when people are very well educated they are accused of being liberals" ... surely this website is living refutation of that? Modesty prevents me from giving an example.

I think there is a grain of truth, perhaps even more than a grain, to the charge that "when people care about hate groups they must be liberals", certainly if we add the qualifier "right-wing" to "hate groups".

However, first of all, anyone with even a tenth of a grain of common sense MUST be able to deduce that the Klan and neo-Nazis are a huge embarrassment to the genuine Right, a big burden for us. They bring us absolutely no advantage whatsoever and in fact a lot of disadvantages. We basically just wish they would go away, that the FBI would put informants in every one of them and entrap them into committing felonies so they can be locked up, as was done in the 1960s. Our country is not like a lot of Latin American regimes a few decades ago, but if only we could arrange for these obnoxious individuals to have a one-way helicopter ride over the ocean .... but we must not think that way. Rule of Law, etc.


Unfortunately, an FBI offensive against the few dozen Klan and Nazi organizations with their tiny membeships won't stop the mass killings, which are carried out by impulsive deranged individuals, marinated in the degraded popular 'culture' that has developed since the 1960s (which liberals defend) to which is then added some Nazi ideology allowing white loser who can't even spell 'Europe' to pretend he's got something to be proud of because he shares some DNA with this great civilization.

Basically, we just don't want to call attention to the Klan etc, and are not interested in Virtue SIgnalling. But we're wrong to just be silent.

Liberals can only trumpet their virtue in being anti-racists etc. We could actually do something.

Because there is more to these mass murders than just depraved entertainment and Nazi ravings.

Trump is not without blame here, but the deep 'root' -- about which I know we will probably not find any rational discussion with the Left or with most of them -- has to do with male white workingclass anxiety in a rapidly-changing world, one which is experienced as benevolent to a young website designer with a degree from a good university, but isn't looking too nice to a young white man with no college and only his unskilled labor power to try to sell to make his way in the world.

Conservatives have not done enough to combat white supremacy and the terrorism that can flow from it. And we can do something, where the liberals are completely helpless.

We have powerful weapons at our disposal to combat the racists that are simply not available to the Left.

But that's for another thread which I will start later today.

 

There are no innocent neo nazis except in the brains of lefties

Nazis are disgusting

But so are liberals who smear every conservative with the nazi label

 

Orange man bad! Yes

You talk about hate groups being an embarrassment..... I understand that because most Republicans are not neo-Nazis and white supremacists. But what is shameful is the silence from people in power or a president who says that some of them are good people. Do you think it is just a coincidence that hate groups are soaring in numbers? Why do you think that is happening? Just look at the people on the right here in the attitude toward people of color. Look at how they say the studies of hate groups are fake news .You seem to be trivializing a very serious problem. It would be like me saying I think it’s wrong to beat children as I watch someone beat a child and do nothing.

 

Spoken like a true extremist who can only see in black-and-white. No one believes that all conservatives are Nazis...but it isn’t liberals who defend them or are silent

 

No one defends nazis except in your dreams

 

To me saying that some of them are good people is indeed defending them. I think they are all despicable. Obviously we have different values… And different dreams. When people are silent they are complicit

 

Which, of course, was fake news.

 

Not everyone at the rally was with the KKK or nazis

Many fine Americans oppose tearing down Confederate monuments

 

The problem is, Renee, that you are half right. But you so overstate your case, that you make it easy for conservatives who MIGHT be concerned about the Far Right, to dismiss you and your whole case.

Let me give you an example: no conservative believes that Donald Trump either meant to say, or believes, that 'neo-Nazis' are 'good people'. (He might believe -- although he probably doesn't think beyond immediate sense-impressions -- as I do, that among the young men attracted to the Far Right, including neo-Nazis, there are people who can be won away from them, whose attraction is not because they are the essence of evil. I'm not religious, but I do like -- just as a practical political matter -- to believe that no one is beyond redemption.) So, we don't think Trump believes neo-Nazis are good people, . And we are right not to believe that.

And ten seconds' thought should convince any liberal that, as crude and impulsive as he is, he would never say such a damaging thing. What he was undoubtedly referring to was the general crowd who turned out to defend the statue, which would have included me, had I been there. (I absolutely despise the statue-smashers. Scum of the earth, so far as I am concerned. Put them in arena with the Nazis and let them devour each other. Okay, that's my initial impulse. After I have counted to ten, I would not be so sweeping in my judgement, having been a young Leftie myself.)

But you are actually half right. Conservatives just wish the Far Right would go away. They won't. And it's our job to try to do something about that. I'm going to post a thread on this to start a discussion among the conservatives here.

 

Of course it was fake news. I wouldn’t expect you to believe what you see and hear....If you are a believer that there were good people on both sides then good for you. Maybe you can join one of the groups and be a good person.

 

Thank you for defending white supremacy. I don’t defend pedophiles but I guess I could just say that no one is beyond redemption. Your need to defend Donald Trump is exactly what he counts on. Why do you say he is crude and impulsive? People who are defined that way, should not be leading country I am a teacher and imagine if I made fun of your child and called him stupid and fatso and told the class that your kid is full of **** . Imagine if I said that some people from your family are criminals and rapists. I guess we just have different values for what a role model should be. I created a curriculums in New York City on prejudice awareness and two points I make. What is your learn about a person by the side of the argument he defends, and the other is being silent is too often being complicit

 

Yeah that’s what it was about, the monuments LOL. I am sure there were some that were not white supremacists but if they march with them and don’t leave they are complicit

 

It is garbage replies like this ^ that make it impossible to take you seriously. You got a well thought out and cogent post and just squawk some BS designed to avoid addressing his points in a logical manner.
You being a teacher, is disturbing. I can't imagine the liberal SJW indoctrination you inject into the curriculum.

 

Yes

It was about Confederste monuments and the knee jerk liberal reaction to them

 

Yeah, ignore the facts and what was actually said for the lib false sound bite. Typical.