Does a decline in religion/spiritualy, mirror a declining moral state?

That depends upon the religion. I would dare say that morality probably increased with the extinction of the Mya and the Inca. On the other hand, Christianity brought us the enlightenment and the scientific method; as well as, the Judeo-Christian traditions which has, thus far, been far superior to all others especially when it comes to morality.[/QUOTE]
The roots of the Enlightenment and the scientific method gonqt least as far back as pre-Christian Greece.

 

The roots of the Enlightenment and the scientific method gonqt least as far back as pre-Christian Greece.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly why it is also referred to as the renascence.

 

Hermaphroditism is exceedingly rare and is a mutation. Your normal is penis or vagina.

 

Uh...thanks for your opinion.

 

Thanks for validating my point, us normies call them "male" (or "outies" if you prefer) or "female" (or "innies" if you prefer)

 

Not at all, that is YOUR take on my opinion.

 

I agree with that. Instinct can tell us right and wrong.

 

I can see that.
As a believer in Christ and GOD and Karma, I don't need religion to have my beliefs.

 

This is absurd revisionism, to promote a negative caricature of Christianity. The scientific and technological advances through the middle ages were directly connected to the monks and catholic church heirarchy. The reformation brought relief from the excesses of the ruling elite, and preserved the central message of Christianity, which was being muddied by greed and power mongering.

Human equality
Natural Law
Freedom of conscience
Scientific inquiry and methodology

..these things are all came from the reformation, flowered in the Enlightenment, and found expression in the American Experiment. The age of reason and the scientific revolution has its roots in the core issues of the reformation. It is absurd revisionism, indoctrinated by agenda driven ideologues, that teaches different.

Natural Law, from the Enlightenment thinkers, has been summarized as the right to life, liberty, and property. It is based on the reformation principle of Sola Scriptura, or that of an overriding LAW, over everyone, including the elites. It was the foundation for human equality, and brought down the divine right of kings, and the infallibility of popes and priests.

This is too much to examine in this thread, and i have other threads where actual quotes and real history refutes this progressive distortion, but i am constantly amazed at the Indoctrination of revisionist history in our culture. Truth and facts are of no use to the propagandists and their phony narratives.

Edit: ..and i am not making any such claim, as your last sentence. That is your own straw man. I have correlated the decline of the culture with the decline of morality, and the ascendancy of atheistic naturalism, as indoctrinated by progressive institutions. Christianity has been in constant decline, over the last 50 years, and the preserving, moralizing influence it once had is waning. We have been reaping the harvest of this new ideology, but it has not been a happy departure from the former one.

 

Again, you don't know the difference between sex, biological organs, and gender.
So I didn't validate your point, just your lack of knowledge on the topic.

 

You have done no such thing. You have merely stated that they are correlated, and then repeated yourself and reiterated this claim, ad nauseum, using flowery language.

Considering that this is how religious knowledge is divined, your tactics are not surprising...but they are garbage.

 

Culture, nor morality has declined. Merely changed.
Now more and more people are fairly treated. That is a moral gain.

 

Believe what you wish, but statistics indicate otherwise.

In almost every category of crime, it is up. The correlation of amoral instruction, atheistic naturalism Indoctrination from every progressive run institution, lax law enforcement, increase of crime, public corruption, and other indicators is obvious to any objective observer.

 

Lie.

Violent crime peaked in this country almost 30 years ago and then went into steep decline.

Teenage pregnancy rates have dropped off a cliff.

Crime rates in general in the United States have dramatically declined over the last 40 years.

You are lying.

 

I didn't challenge anything you've said here.

I'm not interested in promoting a "negative caricature of Christianity" or any other religious belief. I may at times challenge the excessive promotion of some religion as THE solution to human society.

Obviously, the USA does not believe in "law over everyone". We may SAY that, but we certainly do not act it.

Once again, I don't know what you mean by "atheistic naturalism". You've failed to define that term.

I'd point out that religious belief has not particularly been in decline over the last 50 years. What has happened is that religious belief has moved to include new age forms rather than towards joining the centralized authority of a religious organization. Humans are just as susceptible to religious belief as they always have been.

My suspicion is this is coming from the failure of these organizations to address issues of modern society in a way that is acceptable given modern understanding.

Suggesting this has anything to do with "atheism" or whatever just doesn't make sense. Atheists have been stuck at about 1% for decades!

>>In other words, if you think your religious views are getting less acceptance, it isn't because of atheism.

 

At least you accept that there are mutations!

I would add two elements. First, one's whole system of sexual desire is not firmly anchored in external organs. For example, the brain is very much involved. In fact, it's where eroticism lives. If the brain isn't into it, it's just not going to happen.

Second, there is no question that the standard pattern is the most popular. But, that isn't a justification for abusive treatment of others.

 

Do you see this as a justification for anything less than full acceptance of others?

If so, why?

 

You presented this as a rebuttal/reply to my post, so what else am i to conclude, but that you intended it as a rebuttal?

Obviously. That is a symptom of decline.

1. Christian influence, measured by church attendance and polls of orthodoxy of belief, show a steady decline.
2. Atheism has increased astronomically, as a religious opinion. Atheistic naturalism is the majority opinion regarding origins, even if a god is mixed in somewhere.
3. Agreed. Humans ARE as 'susceptible to religious belief', and that belief includes all flavors of atheism, agnosticism, and spiritual naturalism.

straw man. My religious views are irrelevant in this analysis of moral decline. And the increase of amoral atheistic naturalism exactly correlates with this decline.

 

I'm not interested in attacking religion. People have every right to their religious beliefs, and there is reason to see that as positive.

What I want to promote is a sound and logical examination of evidence when it comes to making public policy decisions. I don't mean that science should take over government. Obviously, science COULD suggest extremes that we're not ready to embrace.

I'm not so sure that church attendance and tests of orthodoxy are the best measures of the degree of religious belief in our society.

For example, the sag in the RCC may not be tied to members rejecting the orthodoxy. Unfortunately, organized religion is run by humans, and humans are fallible.

And, I have heard indications that there is a shift toward "new age" religious ideas even among those professing to be Christian. This would be seen as a decline in orthodoxy, but it isn't a decline in religious belief.

I'm not so sure that atheism has increased at all.

Again with the "amoral atheistic naturalism"!! I guess we'll never hear what you mean by that. To me, it seems like you profess an interest in science, yet hate the idea that nature could be relevant. I don't know how to reconcile that.

 

"1. Christian influence, measured by church attendance and polls of orthodoxy of belief, show a steady decline.
2. Atheism has increased astronomically, as a religious opinion. Atheistic naturalism is the majority opinion regarding origins, even if a god is mixed in somewhere.
3. Agreed. Humans ARE as 'susceptible to religious belief', and that belief includes all flavors of atheism, agnosticism, and spiritual naturalism."

We can only laugh at the circularity of such weak arguments.

 

No, America was founded on religious freedom. The ability for Puritans to escape the claws of the Anglican church.

 

And secular government.

 

Nope. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say people of Faith cannot serve in nor influence Government. it does say that churches are off limits to the government.

 

OK.

BUT, let's remember that these original escapees had NO interest in religious plurality.

They just wanted to have their OWN claws in the public.

So, our original colonies included those where taxes were paid to the head of the dominant religion.

A lot of credit goes to our founders who figured out that there needed to be a more complete division between religion and state.

 

And if you are intersex? If you are XY but have AIS? If you were born with ambiguous genitalia?

I’m sorry, but science does not support you?