Does lax gun-control endanger "the security of a free state"?

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  1. Vegas giants

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    They seem to do a lot of good in first world countries with gun control. We need national gun control
     
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    Well you ain't getting it so quit :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse: Umm matter of fact it going the other way like a train and now that old chuckie forced the nuclear option it will only get worse for you...Make me tear up thinking of how bad your side is losing...and deservedly so.
     
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    What if my need for freedom from fear requires that I be armed at all times in all places?
     
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    LOL, they are practicing it.
     
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    Then you will never be free in the US. Nor should you be
     
  6. Ndividual

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    And, in your words, the purpose of freedom is?
     
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    The link above was somewhat amusing as the examples aren't mind changing.
    In the case of Christy, she was initially attacked with a knife, and then shot with her own gun. Obviously her husband felt the gunshot would be fatal and had the gun not been available he may have put the knife to greater use and actually finished her off. She may have survived simply because of the gun.
    In the case of Zina, it would appear that the husband was intent on killing her and if not with a legally/illegally obtained gun, probably by another means a knife perhaps?

    Law don't stop persons from committing crimes, they only make prosecution possible after the act. Making it difficult to purchase a gun legally for all would not be a deterrent to those who are intent on committing a crime and if anything would more likely increase the profit of those who would engage in the black market gun trade.
    If we really wish to reduce crime, recognizing the fact that we can NEVER eliminate it completely, making the punishment unacceptable to the would be criminals would be a good start.
    Another thing, our prison system needs to be reformed in a way that it require little or no taxpayer funding to operate, especially in the case of those who are not serving life sentences. As a large number of the population seem to be pro-collectivism, each prison should operate as a collective enterprise providing those incarcerated with a means by which they earn their keep, equally sharing the results of their sovereign society with no taxpayer help.
     
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    There is no such freedom.
     
  9. Vegas giants

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    To be able to pursue happiness
     
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    More unsupportable nonsense.
    The exercise of the right to keep and bear arms hams no one and places no one in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger.
     
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    I must agree.....it does ham no one. lol
     
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    What Ham can it do ?
     
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    The problem with your statistics and always has been is that suicides and police interventions are lumped into the statistics...take away those numbers, and the tally drops by 35 to 50 percent depending on the year.
    You also state that you have the right to live without fear...Where I am at in Texas, the average police/fire response is 15 to 20 minutes. So why should I fear for my families safety, being unarmed, because you fear me as a lawfully abiding gun owner.
    As an avid bicyclist, I fear people in cars more than I fear gun owners...Should I have the right to take away everyone's cars...?
     
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    Lax Gun Laws ?

    Solution;

    Lax-a-tive.

    Because some are full of it.
     
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    I just returned from my daily 40mi. Cell phones, cars and cyclists... a bad and scary mix.

    Where I ride there is danger also from two and four legged critters. I carry...once had to defend against a pack of feral dogs jumping me from a streambed when I road over the bridge; found later they had been killing livestock and badly injured another cyclist a few days before. Went back with a local Sheriff later that day and the two of us used ARs to reduce the problem... 22 of them out of ?. Required fast shooting and more than 10 rounds.
    Made the news in the paper of that small community. Not a single letter of complaint about the poor animals was registered after the news release. Several cyclists and a couple land owners sent letters of appreciation to the sheriff's office.
     
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    I don't have any four legged problems yet, we've pretty much cleared out the hogs in the area...dogs have never been a problem...it's SFICs that are dangerous, I have six major intersections I have too cross every morning. There os inevitably someone parked on top of the crosswalk with their head turned left so that they can turn right.
     
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    The dangers are a big and growing problem in Ireland...see participate in discussions on politics.ie every day. Growing deaths from Lorrys crushing people in their blind side when turning right (opposite side than here).
    Weapons choices prob better in another forum or thread, but in hot weather I carry a NAA pug with laser sights when riding and a Kahr PM9 with a CT laser when cooler. Ferrel dogs are a problem where I ride; I have had two encounters, only once having to put a dog down and the Pug worked well...instant. To get to the trail I usually ride, I have to traverse an area of drug dealers/users that is considered dangerous (lots day time robberies and cyclists have been relieved of their bikes). I figure carrying is good insurance, but I am also, even at my age, pretty fast and have never been threatened.
    As for the BHP you have, I had one in NI when I lived there. A good gun. A few weeks ago I was given a Nighthawk to work on...very nice...very expensive, but very impressed. You'd like the trigger.
    Back to topic, other than unsupported feel good Pollyanna reasoning, I have never seen anything, except gun owner harassment to justify a waiting period. Waiting to hear justification from the left.

    For women getting restraining orders, they should come with a temporary, state lent weapon and free training, if the restraining order is against someone with a known violent past. In had one such friend, I lent her a Ruger LCR with a laser and trained her. Fortunately the idiot she was concerned about got into an altercation while buying drugs and was dispatched by another idiot who was dispatched later by police when being apprehended after he fired on them. ... a justice chain of events...good fate.

    In this case, there was no waiting period, but she could afford a gun at the time (all her money was taken by the idiot in discussion).

    Sometimes, justice catches up.
     
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    Maybe the question should be "Does lax criminal control endanger the security of a free state?"
    The intentional taking of a life or unintentional taking of a life while committing a crime should be a Capital offense punishable by death if convicted, while the commission of a crime using any type of weapon should also be a Capital offense resulting in a severe penalty for the first offense, and permanent incarceration for a second offense.
    Correctional facilities should not be health spas, but only provide food, shelter, minimal health care, and educational material for those who may re-enter society again. And all that should be at a cost collectively to those who are imprisoned. Each prisoner could be issued a debit card to accumulate the earnings to be spent, and the earnings per unit of labour adjusted to what remains for distribution after the collective expense of running the prison has been deducted. In other words they would each share collectively in the profits, or poverty as the case may be.

    Maybe Joe Arpaio would be a good choice for Director over the BOP?
     
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    we also need to eradicate cancer and governmental violations of the constitution too
     
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    quoting FDR is pretty ironic given his disgust with our constitution. and what you hate about gun ownership is that us gun voters vote for candidates that upset you.
     
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    and its a charade. their facade concerning hating guns because of crime is so transparent. They are hard core lefties who hate the fact that gun owners called BS on the leftwing's nonsense that gun control = crime control. and now its all about hatred of the NRA and pro gun voters politics
     
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    The 2nd Amendment is outdated. It was originally set in place, because the US didn't have a military. We now have the strongest military in the world. Let them control the weaponry.
     
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    no its not-as long as there are control freaks who want to ban private firearms, patriots need to be well armed in case they have to use their arms to defeat attacks on the constitution
     
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    Is the military going to intervene in the middle of the night if home invaders break into my home and have the intention of harming my family?
    I am my first responder.
     
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    Find a recent red/blue map of the states. Start counting red states. Stop when you get to 13.

    Ever heard of posse comitatus?
     
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