Does white privilege really exist?

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  1. Mr.Incognito

    Mr.Incognito Well-Known Member

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    Get the hell over it? Dude the OP asked the question, why the hell did you take my answer so personal? My answer in no way had anything to do with you. Then you resort to personal attacks. That really shows what type character individual you are.
     
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    Like "systemic racism" they are both vague meaningless excuses as to why a large portion of the black community do not succeed at the same level as other races and even other blacks. They are used to the real issues within that large segment of the black community are not discussed or addressed and even ignored.
     
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    The fact that many blacks do succeed and do so at the highest levels disproves that. It also disproves systemic racism and shows the "privilege" is not based on race but leading successful lives and doing the things necessary to do so.
     
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    1. The data is there. There is plenty of evidence that it is happening.
    2. Several times? I assure you, that you are an anomaly. I know almost no white person whose been pulled over for more than speeding, expired tag, etc.
    3. Agreed. The conversations need to have more nuance and depth, but partisans only see true/false. It's hard to have a conversation with partisans.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good thing that's not what they mean when they say privilege, or you would have an excellent point.
     
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    Actually white person gets pulled over very quickly if police sees him driving in some predominantly black neighborhood.
    My son was pulled over two times, he was working on delivery and went through the area. Police stopped him and searched his car without asking any permission. It was close to Gary, Indiana.
    It is not a racism, but stereotyping, police knew that only reason for white male to be around that community is to buy drugs.
     
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    Do you profess expertise in pederasty?
     
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    I am not a Democrat, most of the Democrats are pederasts, since they promote early sex education and homosexuality in schools.
    I usually vote Republicans except on the Health Care issues.
     
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    You profess expertise in pederasty?
     
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    Why you are asking? Are you trying to teach me? To offer pederasty course?
     
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    My perception is that nobody could teach you anything about pederasty.
     
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    P1: Either Black people suffer from systemic racism, or there is something inherently wrong with them.
    P2: According to you, systemic racism doesn’t exist.
    SC1: There must be something inherently wrong with them.
    P3:If there is something inherently wrong with them, then that is the definition of racism.
    SC4: You believe in the definition of racism.
    P4: If you believe in racism, you’re a racist and your opinion doesn’t count because you believe in racism.
    Con:You’re a racist and your opinion doesn’t count because you believe in racism.
     
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    For what its worth....
    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6?amp
     
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    The problem is that when Dem party is promoting special rights, illegal immigration and pederasty, it hijacks important issues like Health Care.
    Essentially Dem party is a source of all ills in the society, directly or indirectly.
     
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    There is nothing wrong with black people. It is a Democratic party that think that black people need special privileges, because they think black people are inferior.
    Essentially Democrat party is a party of racists.
     
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    False choice................
     
  18. Thedimon

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    Yes I do.
    In any model, the same rules that are applied to the main data set must hold true to any subset.
    The analysis mentioned failed to separate blacks into a significant subgroup of foreign and domestic born. They are significant because their results are very different and it’s consistent.
    If race cannot explain why American blacks have a very different performance when compared to foreign born blacks then the race cannot be used in the analysis as it has no impact, or if it does, the impact is minimal.
    The problem with these studies is in the failure to identify this important variable - foreign vs native. If foreign born blacks have wages and benefits that are closely correlated to their white counterparts then the race cannot be a factor. If you use the race as a factor then you corrupt your entire dataset as you won’t be able to close the gap within blacks themselves.
    If you expand these mathematical models to take into account place of birth, prior criminal record, family size, work ethic record then you’ll find real reasons for blacks lagging behind. By lumping together foreign and domestic blacks you actually hurt American blacks because 1- you inflate the performance of native born blacks by mixing them with much better performing group and 2 - by ignoring these important factors you create a scenario where people think race is the factor when in fact it is not.
     
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    The opinion of a racist doesn’t matter.
     
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    Yeah. Control variables. That’s mx2, mx3 mx4.... theory tells you what they are. Then you quantify them. Then you run your regression. Basic science.
     
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    You keep saying “regression”, “control variables”, etc.
    Have you even tried to run the numbers yourself? I explained my reasoning in prior posts and examples of math and all you do is keep repeating these magic words without showing where I’m wrong and how a race variable could be used in foreign vs domestic blacks subset.
    Show me a model that closes the gap between blacks themselves and then blames race on their performance differences when compared to other races. Spill the guts! Shine your math skills!
     
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    You mean do what Reiver wants you to do? The answer in short is no, because I don’t want to pay for stata until I have to. I like it more than R.
     
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    It appears to me that pederasty is the least of your problems.
     
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    The answer is simple - you can’t. If immigrated blacks are more closely aligned with native whites than with native blacks then comparing all whites to all blacks cannot have race as a factor. The simple answer is in the fact that in any model that you build which takes into account race, along with education, living environment, family, country of birth, etc, the race will not be a factor because it treats all blacks as the same, when in fact, they have significant differences as one subgroup of blacks aligns closer to whites than to blacks.
    That’s why I asked you to show proof to counter my logic. All I see from you is talking about regression analysis that you yourself don’t seem to understand. I did my homework because I chewed my answer to the level a 3rd grader would understand by stripping unnecessary mathematical gymnastics, like running all figures through a natural logarithm, which would have the same effect as if one were to take a square root of each number and then raised it to the power of the number of atoms in this solar system. I’m talking about the root of the model and discuss how values would affect it when applying additional variables like native/foreign.
    All you got is “regression analysis” where you can’t explain in your own words how you can address the fact that natives and foreigners have such difference in outcome and explain it with racism as the cause.
    I laid out my case.
    Please go over that post and explain to me where I got it wrong.
     
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    Me not wanting to spend $50 until I have to is proof of your logic when you don’t even know how to read a chart if I gave it to you?

    Yeah that’s a pretty bad argument right there
     

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