DOJ times anti trust suit against google

Not sure who "we" is but...

If "we" are in "big trouble" thn why don't "we" go use Bing, Yahoo, or even Duck?

Why?

Because Google offers the best search engine.

Try doing that instead of whining about google.

 

Step hard on Google's dick DOJ.

 

True, true, true. But it isn't the whole story. Google is probably the best search engine, but
it is using that engine in anti-competitive ways. I happen to use Microsoft's Windows operating
system - but I didn't like the idea of it owning the internet through its "embedded" Explorer and
other tricks.

 

SPECIFICALLY

What does Google do to FORCE you to use their engine?

AND

Explorer is no longer embedded in Windows.and it is relatively easy to select your default browser and search engine so...

 

Explorer is no longer embedded, true. That was because of regulators.
Google forces you to see their preferred brands - you either pay to be
the preferred product or you find Google has its own product ahead of
yours. This is both real now or a potential threat.
Google does a lot of harm to journalism too.
There's quite a list of issues already in the public domain about this.

 

Let's take them one at a time.

This is the internet. Money is made by advertising. Are you seriously proposing that we outlaw advertising on the internet?
Now, how are you harmed by having to scroll past CLEARLY labeled ads? If this "harm" is so onerous why not simply change search providers?
These ads are the equivalent of "full page ads" in print media or the "sixty second spot" in broadcast media. It costs more to advertise on google because google gets you more eyes. It costs more to be at the top of the page because that's where the eyes land first.

How is that? Google doesn't publish, it provides a method to search. Your issue, on this is not with google, but with the publishers.
In general, for those outside the elite, google provide a method whereby their works gain greater exposure. In this regard google could be considered a boon to journalism.

There are always complaints. Somebody doesn't like the ads, that their site doesn't come up first, yada yada yada...
The solution s to change search providers.
If the other providers don't provide the service you need, go back to google.
You are free to select whatever provider suits your needs.
The other search providers are free to build a better search engine and take google's business.

 

Can't read the green.
I have no issue with Google as a search engine. My main regret was in not buying the stock.
And I tried other search engines but prefer Google.
But Google is using its power in a way that stifles competition. Of course, that's what all
business wants to do. But as the regulators state - if Google is allowed to monopolize then
there won't be any more new Googles.
Same for Facebook.

 

Ah, but Google DOES publish. It catalogs the browsing habits of its users and shares (publishes) that information with advertisers and other interested parties (media, political parties, the Chinese, etc.). Google has amassed a global market share of 92%, the next runner up is Bing at 3%. The remedy is, like Microsoft, to share its API's with third-party companies.

Robert Epstein, Ph.D, Senior Research Psychologist, American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology:
"Data I’ve collected since 2016 show that Google displays content to the American public that is biased in favor on one political party (Epstein & Williams, 2019) – a party I happen to like, but that’s irrelevant. No private company should have either the right or the power to manipulate large populations without their knowledge." https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Epstein Testimony.pdf

 

It may not be just about their search engine but how that search engine is used to muscle competition out of advertising or other markets. It could be about how they will return youtubes far more often than comparable video from other sites. There are many angles they can go at this from in the anti-trust realm.

 

how do you say that, you don't have to use the google search engine, they seem to protect Trump nowadays anyways, use duckduckgo

 

Google isn't a monopoly. How do I know? I don't use it but I have effective search engine service. If nobody used Google it would make no difference to our society at all. It isn't a monopoly. It is a left leaning site that conservatives don't like. Why are conservatives using it?

 

Personally, I don't look at this as political.

It's antitrust.

Here's where it is political, Republicans whore for business, and if Trump wins, this will get killed.

There is a discussion to be had about what Biden might, or might not, do. But since Biden has been adamant about the independence of Justice, interfering would (in my distinctly unhumble opinion) shatter the Dem coalition and seriously damage his presidency, and Dem prospects in the midterms.

 

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So you're saying there won't be any more Parlers? No more Ducks or Bings?

Pretty sure the internet disagrees.

Google may be sucking most of the oxygen but, as you related, it does so because it's product is better and people prefer better.

 

Sure, a better product, by far. Like Windows is a better product - but the product is positioned
to prevent even better ones appearing easily. Like Windows. At least Microsoft had its wings
clipped to prevent an outright monopoly - and Google needs that too.
You can see what happened what to word processors and spread sheets once Microsoft
destroyed Lotus and WordStar.

 

What "API" are you talking about? Are you suggesting Google should make its search engine a public domain software product? That is beyond ridiculous!

As is your line from Robert Epstein, Ph.D, Bull. Search engines have a natural bias built in. Based on popularity, requests, and other parameters. You and yours are upset that the natural bias doesn't favor you. BUT, and pay attention now...

Fox news has a bias, do we shut them down?
OANN has a bias, NY Post has a bias, WaPo has a bias, do we shut down each and every company in every market if they have a bias?

Despite or because of it people go to google. They don't do so because, as you would like them to be, they are forced to use google, they use google because, among all of the choices, it is what they prefer.

If you're old like me you remember that Yahoo's interface in 2003 resembled google's. almost to the point that Yahoo could have possibly sued. As google's better engine was taking the internet by storm Yahoo chose to compete by making their interface look like those competitors who had already been crushed. AOL, MSN, Lycos and the rest had their pretty interfaces and all of them circled the drain. You want to compete, build a better engine but don't go to court with "their better engine is unfair and it's really hard to make a good search engine ..."

 

If you don't like google go somewhere else. Google loses a customer.
If lots of people go elsewhere google loses lots of customers.
Google losing lots of customers reduces the pricing power with advertisers
Other providers getting those eyeballs raises their pricing power with advertisers.
This is just basic economics and..

If I'm going to have to teach ECON 101 you guys are going to have to pass the mid-term!

 

It is almost impossible to escape google or facebook. You can pretend this is supply and demand. it is not.

 

So you say it is a Trump thing because the fringe right gets deleted ?

 

you can not ?
Never used google or facebook.

you can

 

Uh, no it's not.

 

You don't have to "use" them. They are using you every time you log onto the internet

 

oh yes it is.

 

There was an image attached of a BING search page. Not sure why it's gone.

 

This is true of google but it is certainly possible to avoid the Google search engine 100% and lose nothing in the process. One has to log into Facebook to use it. Not logging in avoids it 100%. I use neither the Google search engine nor Facebook. It is supply and demand. Nobody needs them.