Donald Trump contradicts CDC director on coronavirus vaccine timeline rollout

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  1. Sleep Monster

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    No expert or anybody else has any scientifically proven information on the availability of an effective vaccine. That's "no" as in none, zero, nada. Nobody has any inherent (first hand) information about the logistics of distribution outside of the administration (including the military) other than what they have been told.

    The CDC is not responsible for approving the vaccine and is on the recipient end of the distribution planning and FDA approval. (They are responsible for medical reports after the vaccine has been in use.) Their prognosis is based on second-hand information, so their accuracy is in question. Trump, with no evidence of lying outside the wishful made up claims of the Trump haters, has actually not definitively asserted anything about the availability of the vaccine. He makes best estimates based on the direct input from front line developers and testers. So, if forced to choose between believing the head of the CDC or the president in this case, I have to go hands down easy as pie with the president[/QUOTE]
    You trust Trump on the issue of wearing or not wearing masks? You trust Trump on how and when an effective vaccine can be made available to us all?

    Even if they manage to develop an effective vaccine by October, it will take time to manufacture enough doses for essential personnel like medical workers and first responders. It will take months to manufacture and distribute doses to all Americans who want one (anti-vaxxers are a whole other problem). It will take time, after that, for the virus to subside enough that we will be able to get back to what we've come to think of as our normal lives. That's what Redfield was saying, and what Trump was denying.

    I trust Trump, too. I trust him to always say and do whatever serves him best.
     
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    Trump has spent more in 4 years than any other President in the history of the United States

    Trump played down the virus same as China did in the beginning... Sad!
     
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    The cdc director was the making an educated guess.
     
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    Of course, and of course. Why do you think Trump spent billions getting masks, gowns, and ventilators built and distributed? Trump is not asserting anything that he has not gotten from the principals involved with the vaccine.

    You evidently are unaware that, at the cost of billions of dollars, millions (or at least a whole lot) of vaccine doses are already made and distributed on the chance that they will pass the stage three trials. All part of Operation Warp Speed, initiated in early April with $10-20 billion, with a goal (high hope) of 300 million vaccines available by January 2021 by paralleling all functions in advance rather than doing development, testing, manufacturing, and distribution serially as is usually done. If the trials succeed only essential medical workers, first responders, and other seriously at risk people will be the recipients until 2021. Nobody, including Trump, has said anything different.
     
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    Not sure where you are getting this information...the Trump Admin is the one running Operation Warp Speed to get the Trump Vaccine on the developed to end the Chinese Virus
     
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    These are all estimates...we have no idea what the real numbers are since Obama and Biden ordered test to be stopped in July....just a couple months after the first case, and one month after it was deemed a pandemic.
     
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    Nonsense. You guys should get off that illusionary meme. Trump closed borders to prevent the spread long before any other country did, and against the advice of many experts, and to the egregious opposition and antagonism of Democrats like Biden, Pelosi, et al, et al. He procured essential equipment (masks, apparel, ventilators, etc.) faster than anybody ever. He instituted Operation Warp Speed to get a vaccine as soon as possible -- a process never before been done -- in early April before anyone else had even thought about it.

    China did not play down the virus. They quarantined the city of origin and banned all internal domestic air travel very early on. Don't confuse China's willingness to let the virus spread outside of China and/or their denying with their "playing it down."

    I repeat: utter nonsense; get off it.
     
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    remember early on when Trump supporters defended Trump saying he did better than Obama as he had less than 12,000 deaths, they do not make that comparison anymore

    Trump should have taken control of this at 15 cases, but Trump blew it
     
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    We spent billions of taxpayer dollars on reproduction of an as-yet untested and unproven vaccine? What if that vaccine fails?
     
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    Any vaccine in stage 3 is more than tested, please stop with this nonsense. Also keep in mind Trump changed FDA rules where they can see and evaluate the test results as they're happening vs after the stage is complete. This is streamlining the process so it's well evaluated by completion of the stage which results in quicker determinations on safety and effectiveness. The results and determinations are the same regardless if the FDA sees them real-time or after the trial stage.
     
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    That is the natural risk with parallel efforts. The vaccines were not untested; they were not fully tested.
     
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    Really? Obama and Biden dealt with the racial unrest in a most superior way. This is Trump's America. Biden's America way relatively peaceful.
     
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    I don't see the contridiction here...then again I don't think the Director didn't understand the question...I just think he gave a different answer or more detailed answer.

    When will we have a vaccine? In the next month or so...but when will it be a available as say the Chicken Pox Vaccine where you can just go to Wal-Mart on a Tuesday and get a shot? likely longer.
     
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    Following FDA's review of a license application for a new indication, the sponsor and the FDA may present their findings to FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC). This non-FDA expert committee (scientists, physicians, biostatisticians, and a consumer representative) provides advice to the Agency regarding the safety and efficacy of the vaccine for the proposed indication.

    https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-...process-cber/vaccine-product-approval-process


    Fauci mentioned this committee yesterday. He said it's independent and this board will not advise releasing a vaccine that isn't effective and safe. Fauci said if this board approves it, he will take it himself. I trust Fauci, so I doubt Trump has any control over the process, but Trump's rhetoric is inexcusable, as are the dismissals of his own experts.
     
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    To be fair, it's the Trump/Pence Virus, which Trump will refer to as the Pence Virus after he goes down in 6 weeks.
     
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    Obama creates division between races, that’s not a superior way lmao. The division between races is a trend set by Obama’s.

    this is dems America
     
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    Trump had a better economy and spent less while doing it than Obama did.

    Trump took action long before dems did. Dems cost loves, Trump saved lives
     
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    Trump is passing off a crashing economy, even worse then Bush
     
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    Due to dems failing to take the chinavirus seriously, causing their cities to be hit the hardest.

    This is their America.

    Trump however has done a great job. Even over seeing the greatest and fastest recovery the nation has ever seen. Back to his great economy, that was better than Obamas while spending less.
     
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    both Trump and China played down the Virus and lied to their people... Sad!
     
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    Trump took action long before dems did, saving lives while dems cost lives.

    Dems should have taken it more seriously, they could have saved lives.

    Trump saved millions based on original calculations.

    Great Job President Trump!
     
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    fake news
     
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    Not at all, but you are entitled to “feel” how you want.
     
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    I like it when Trump is angry, incoherent, and thrashing around grasping at straws. I don't like it when he gives bad information to his supporters, information that could get them sick or killed.
     

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    Trump has never said nor implied that he would sanction the release of any vaccination that hasn't been approved independently by the FDA. He can' anyway. Quit blowing smoke out of your butt.
     

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