Donald Trump 'orders immediate and full withdrawal of US troops from Syria'

Where are you getting the idea that he will police Syria?

 

Not the ONLY solution, but certainly better than THIS idiot's stance on the issue:

 

Radical terrorists are a problem, and in this case they happen to be islamists. The Brits didn't attack the religions of IRA, they attacked IRA itself.

 

No he's not in trouble. Been out of the country lately?

17 different CRIMINAL investigations into Trump Inc, Trump Campaign, Trump Transition Team, Trump Administration, Trump foundation, and those are only the ones we know about.

The Bi partisan Senate Report on Russian "meddling" proves that it wasn't any hoax and was way larger than had been previously known.

He can't even find a permanent Chief of Staff so he gives Mulvaney who already has two full time jobs the second biggest job in the administration to fill in his free time.

His administration's senior members have a 63% turnover rate in two years - the most in history (yet another trumpian win).

And his tissue of lies and conspiracy theories about russia and the crooks going down are being torn to sheds.

Nah, he ain't in trouble.

 

There are many who believe that it is US bombing in the ME which directs the ire of radical Islamic terrorists against the US. I think they have a good argument.

And I think securing the borders is a more cost effective approach and has ancillary benefits.

 

...hmmmm...


Actually it's the other way around in terms of hypocrisy, since unlike within Syria, the new Sovereignty/new Iraqi GOVT didn't want to guarantee Obama that our soldiers would not be prosecuted in court for future war crimes.

Plus the situation within Syria is headed toward a Civil War.

We don't need 2,000 troops there, for that, including how our 2,000 troops is an insignificant amt anyway when compared to the huge amt of coalition forces already there in Syria.

 

Why? They will never accept our standards. It is stupid to think they will. You think they are wrong to kill gays, they think you are wrong for drinking alcohol. Who makes your set of rules the correct one?

Accept that others have different beliefs and live with it.

 

In my book 30,000 whackos running around with guns still killing Russians, Iranians, Kurds, and Syrians and unsuccessfully killing Americans is taking them off the board. Their attempt at establishing the caliphate was IIRC preceded by their stateless status and terrorist tactics.

Trump is claiming victory by leaving tens of thousands of whacko "die for allah" terrorists alive. Reversion to previous tactics, only this time with battle hardened soldiers will be a friggin nightmare for the entire world.

You know what happens when america's adversaries continue to fight ISIS? They are left victorious and in possession of the entire battlefield. Makes perfect sense - give em a gift and walk away. Never thought i'd see capitulation disguised as victory.

QUID PRO QUO anyone?

 

The Americans are leaving, the Russians are crumbling, the KSA is a shell. There are only two potential winners in the Levant, Turkey and Iran. I believe for a number of reasons that Turkey will come out ahead for now. If you want to go into more detail about it, I will. But where does your opinion differ from mine?

 

They you were probably in agreement with Obama too.

No, a wall will do nothing to stop international terrorism. Nothing whatsoever.

 

With regard to ISIS I did support Obama's policy of ineffectual war.

Not a wall, a Muslim ban.

 

The winners today are Iran, Russia, Assad and Hezbollah, and the losers are the Kurds and Israel.

 

You think they have the word "muslim" tattooed on their foreheads? They have thousands of recruits from Europe, Canada, Australia, Africa, Asia and even US. Ironically the only place where they do not seem to have them is Latin America.

 

And who sets the guidelines as to what is moral and what isn't?

 

There you go again. You have trouble with the truth. The pentagon says there are as many as 17,000 not 30,000 ISIS in Syria. Beyond that the Americans haven't been fighting them the Kurds have. They have gotten air support from the US and I am sure that will continue. If not Israel will pick up the slack.

 

When was he last time you looked at a map of Syria? The battlefield is possessed. There are three important power blocs. In the northwest, Turkish-backed rebel forces. In the northeast, formerly American-backed Kurdish rebels. Just about the rest of the country, there is Assad. I'm sure the Kurds are wonderful people, but they exist in between two giants. When it comes down to it the Americans aren't willing to simultaneously fight both the Iranians and Turks in defense of the Kurds.

So let's be honest, the most important American ally in the world is not Israel, it's not the UK, it's not Saudi Arabia, it's Turkey. The only American ally with the capability and willingness to help us both with the Russian threat and management of the Middle East. We're going to help them with the Russian threat, and we're going to stop worrying so much about the Middle East.

 

You think Israel will pick up the fight? No chance. The Kurds are likely done when they see US cut and run (which is underway right now) and abandon the Kurdish fighters.

 

We will leave the Russians and Iranians to fight ISIS. Let them spend the blood and treasure to save the world.

What do we want with the battlefield? What are we supposed to do with it? I could see twenty years ago trying to secure the Iraqi oil supply, but now we don't need it. And Syria has no oil anyway.

I don't think fighting in Syria indefinitely is worth it just so the Russians don't get it.

 

No one should insult another person's faith. It's a matter of common courtesy.

 

Good. Let the muslim fanatics from all those countries go to the ME killing fields and get their 72 virgins. No skin off my nose. Good riddance I say.

 

And the fact that DHS is catching illegals and terrorists on a daily basis means that there isn't any border security. Ifyou look at their statistics, the vast majority come by air, with only 25% coming thru the borders and by sea.

The issue at hand is enhancing existing border security as per the CBP actually has requested. The existing programs of renovation and enhancement of fences and walls in appropriate places along with the requested other elements will vastly improve it, but apparently without the wall trump there is no border security.

And if you think that retreating from the middle east will somehow blunt the hate these Islamist scumbags have for America and stop them from continuing to attack america, I think you are being naive.

 

It is also common sense, unless you are actually trying to provoke a fight.

 

I simply don't think this is the case. The most capable military force in the Middle East is Turkey, by a wide margin. The Americans are protecting the Kurds, and the Russians Syria. The Americans have blinked, and so will the Russians. That leaves only Iran. Iran is a powerful country, but the Turks have an economy twice the size, a better organized and equipped military, and the Allah-given fact that they just happen to be Sunni, just like most of the peoples in the regions they're going to spar with Iran over. Turkey will have a single major weakness in the face of the Iranians... the Kurds, a dagger aimed at the heart of Turkey. But I believe the Turks will prevail. They've done it before.

 

You mean like they did in 9/11?

 

What you are saying makes a lot of sense. Trump just met with the Turkish leader too. Syria is not where our interest lie. It is a waste of resources.