Donald Trump: we will no longer deal with the British ambassador

You're making stuff up... you're a very enthusiastic Trump hater... clearly you're getting carried away with your "for PM's eyes only"

 

Nobody should insult Trump in private communications? Leaders are going to be insulted, especially wilfully divisive and abrasive ones like Trump. He’s going to have to accept that some people will say unpleasant thing about him, in much the same way he does to other people. He could even consider whether they have any basis in truth.

I don’t see Trump accepting any kind of apology and it wouldn’t be true anyway.

I understand how you feel, I’m accusing you (like Trump) of rampant hypocrisy. You’ll support, even celebrate, all of Trumps repeated insults and petty attacks but then feign righteous indignation is anyone dares do the same to him.

 

Leaders are going to be insulted ... that's ridiculous... we're talking about an Ambassador.... a diplomat, you're saying his job is to insult leaders. We're not just talking about a random person, also the PM, May's response was awful, she could have done so much better than what she said.

No he doesn't... he doesn't have to accept that an Ambassador who is effectively a guest in his country should say unpleasant things about him.

If you're in my house and you said something like that to me, I would absolutely show you the door

 

Everything that the ambassador said had already been said by those that Trump appointed into his government and then sacked. Perhaps Trump should look closer to home for where his problems lie

 

Trump has literally insulted other leaders in public! How can you possibly deny that will happen? You could say that it shouldn’t but you know you face the hypocrisy issue there.

Part of the Ambassadors job is to give their honest and unvarnished opinions to their superiors, even if that is insulting, and that is what he did. That’s one of the reasons their communications are meant to be private and secret. Again, do you think some US Ambassadors don’t write exactly the same kind of things?

I’m never suggested otherwise. Trump remains perfectly within his rights to reject the British Ambassador over this. It would still be hypocritical of him to do so though.

 

An insult warrants that person being kicked out of the country.
UK can easily replace the ambassadors. Trump is not reducing your staff here, just replaces one particular head.

 

The problem is the arrogant establishment infesting Washington DC. If you are a trump hater there you get invited to all the parties I'm sure. The Ambassador doesn't deal with Trump, probably has never met him, but engages with the hate trump crowd.

DC culture corrupts politicians and stands against the American people. This ambassador is simply an insignificant politician and I wouldn't be surprised if he leaked the memos himself to be a well liked by the establishment

 

Trump may have insulted others, but that has nothing to do with being insulted by an ambassador. Trump didn’t insult that ambassador. Stop your deflection.

No, diplomat should have the basic ability to choose the right words. I bet you don’t describe others in your work emails as stupid and inept and you probably choose to use more neutral terms.
That ambassador is a failure as a diplomat. Mays response to the leak wasn’t very mature too.

 

Site me a case when a head of state tolerated an ambassador that insulted him/her?
So, how is it hypocritical?

 

The ambassador's JOB is to report what is going on....he stated what he saw and thought …..that is his job..... his honest opinion, which was private, was leaked...

...and has nothing to do with Ivanka...

 

Trump is such a SNOWFLAKE!

 

“I will be apologizing for the fact that either our civil service or elements of our political class have not lived up to the expectations that either we have or the United States has about their behavior, which in this particular case has lapsed in a most extraordinary and unacceptable way” ~ UK Trade Minister Liam Fox

 

Well Trump actually insulted the Ambassador in his response to the leak but I don’t see Trumps routine insults and personal attacks aimed at all sorts of different political figures and others are irrelevant either. If insults in politics are wrong, shouldn’t they be wrong for everybody, regardless of who the target is? You appear to believe that Trump should be free to insult anyone he wants but nobody should be allowed to insult him. That is the clear hypocrisy.

Sure, when they actually are (and I work with the NHS!). I have the advantage of having most of those discussions in person though, meaning the confidentiality is more secure.

(Incidentally, as reported, I don’t believe the ambassador used the word stupid and he called the US administration rather than Trump personally inept – side points but no need to muddy the waters further).

That sounds like you’re echoing Trumps insults there. How did the ambassador fail? Do you even know anything he did during his years in the role? Before you knew about the leaks material, what would your opinion of him and his professional work have honestly been?

May’s response was muted and perfectly reasonable. I’m not sure what else she could or should reasonably do. Remember that she is already on her way out of office so not in a politically strong position. Also remember Trumps own mantra that a leader should do what is best for their own country above anything else so whether Americans like her response isn’t really relevant is it?

 

Lol, inept and incompetent British government together with its inept and incompetent ambassador got extremely sensitive documents leaked to the media under their noses, while they were busy accusing others of ineptitude and incompetence. This is truly rich. I am sure the irony is lost on you though

And i hate to break it to you, but no one outside the perfidious Albion gives a rat's tail about how the limeys define the job of their ambassadors. When they cross a line (a line defined by the US president in this case, not by your PM), they have to go. Send him to Nigeria or wherever. Duh

 

I think Saudi Arabia should be insulted: their half-wit princes are PhD's compared to Ivanka and daddy.

 

Should the apology be for the fact that someone leaked it, or for what he said? He was doing his job, speaking with his superiors. Should he apologize for doing his job?

 

At the moment, let's overlook the specifics of what was said and just examine the roles involved. An Ambassador from the UK said something bad about the President and it was leaked to the public.

The way I look at it, I want Ambassadors from all over the world to be in our country, with few exceptions and even exceptions should be under review. I don't expect all those countries to like the President or even our country. It would be nice if their bad opinions of the President or our country weren't made public, both for us and the Ambassador, he is a diplomat after all, but it can happen. If it does happen, I think it's better to take the high ground and not be bent out of shape. I also want to have Ambassadors in their countries who hopefully will not have their criticisms leaked to the public.

 

The apology should be for what was said. I'm thinking May leaked it herself... a last ditch revenge against Trump who never approved of her before she leaves office.

This vindictiveness that you find in the Media, on social media and forums such as these are creeping into diplomacy, this can have disastrous consequences, May's spite-fullness "may" well backfire

 

The ambassador no doubt obtained his position via
influence rather than sympathy with the Trump presidency.

Now evidenced incapable of being an impartial representative of or to his nation,
Trump should recall the American ambassador to Britain until
their new ambassador is installed.

Really, do we really need an Ambassador from Britain
as badly as they need one from who can stomach bangers?

 

Trump, May tout 'special relationship' during joint news conference



Long, boring and they meet again with tRump praising her, here, there, everywhere.

Now, May is about to leave, I start hearing about them not liking each other, which is something that can't be backed up with facts I've seen, but who knows how they actually feel about each other.

To me, it all boils down to this. I don't like Russia and I don't like Putin, but I definitely wouldn't want their Embassy removed from my country. It's OK if they are here and I don't like them and we don't have to like each other. It really boils down to treating a guest with respect. The Ambassador of the UK should be treated as a guest, no matter what the hell he says.

 

Obviously he's not Russian??

 

My real world translation of Bonespurs' quote?

"Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhh! *sob* Nagadalisten to you! *sniff* *sob*"

 

I reckon Theresa May threw her Ambassador to the US under the bus because she was clearing her desk and had one more axe to grind

 

This is what the diplomatic treaty say:

So Trump has all the rights to show him the boot.
If the guy talks like this of the US president, he gives no respect to US as a whole.
Bye, bye. That is the right response.
You got 72 hours to leave.

 

No, he should go home and be replaced with someone who is capable of doing diplomatic work.