Durham loses again in court, but trial airs FBI flaws

Three and a half years, three indictments. One on probation, two acquitted. Haven't we spent enough taxpayer money on what most of us knew all along was a complete waste of time?

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/...on-all-counts-in-durham-russia-probe-00062380

 

Another shame chapter in Trump's lap-dog Barr's legacy.



Joyce Alene
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The Durham investigation has been a complete bust, an abject lesson in what happens when the Justice Department is weaponized to do a president's political bidding. It will be held up to generations of prosecutors as a cautionary tale about what not to do.



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Steele dossier source acquitted, in loss for special counsel Durham
The special counsel alleged Igor Danchenko misled the FBI officials asking in 2017 about his sources.



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Barb McQuade
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The only case with merit was the prosecution of the FBI lawyer who altered an email for a FISA application, but that case was investigated by the IG, and the defendant pleaded guilty. Durham should not get credit for that one. The rest was a conspiracy theory in search of a crime


5:05 PM · Oct 18, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

 

But, the Trumpists were SO sure that this time, Durham would prove everything! LOL

 

And everyone was going to flip, to save themself and end up taking Hillary down somehow. Guess being innocent kind of screwed up that idea lol

 

Innocent of what? The statements in the dossier that were put in the search warrants were unverified, despite the FBI attempts to verify it and yet they still pressed on. That's deception. It was never true. It's not so much that the jury 'acquitted' these actors, but worse. The jury ACCEPTED these actors.

It's less of an indictment on Durham and more on the health of our judicial system. If you're in a high enough place, and more importantly you have the right friends, you're never going to be touched.

 

Just because the system is rigged and you get away with your crimes does not mean you are innocent.

It actually indicates a far greater guilt than your own.

 

Seriously. What this basically says is "you can lie to the FBI, provided that the FBI can use your lie to advance its cause." That's basically what this says.

 

At the moment, our judicial system at the Federal Court level includes a huge percentage of Trump appointees, but IMO most care more about the law than about politics, regardless of who appointed them. That may be sappy on my part, but I've always preferred to think well of people until they show me otherwise.

From the link:

"Durham’s open criticism of the FBI produced an unusual spectacle at the trial, as he and his team attacked the competence of FBI agents and analysts who were the prosecution’s key witnesses."

He trashed the reputations of his own witnesses. That seems very unhealthy to me.

 

WRONG!
It "indicates" nothing of the sort...
Try again...

 

All investigations start out unverified, if it was verified you don’t need to investigate, you make an arrest

 

Well they did let you out of your self imposed confinement you're supposed to still be in for like 99 days right ?

 

If all investigations 'start out unverified', then literally nothing whatsoever stops anyone from filing a 'complaint' and opening up an investigation and even if it's not true, that person is going to get screwed over.

Now I know how people play the system to use it to get their vendettas. Crossfire Hurricane happened because it literally is legal to take gossip as verbatim evidence.(and yes, the Downer statement is effectively gossip, even as it came from the coffee boy.)

Again, friends in high places.

 

Except he did say that and the fbi already knew Russia had hacked the dnc, and probably that Don jr was told by a Russian agent they wanted to help the campaign, and they knew who Manaforts business partner was…

 

I think the Don Jr email that set up that meeting in Trump Tower came after late July(IE: When Coffee Boy met up with the professor who disappeared.). So while yes, he did say that and then the hacked emails came out a bit later, neither of those things were connected per se to Carter Page(who I view honestly as separate from Trump. As a citizen period, he should not have been surveiled when evidence was a lack of standing.)

But moreover to the point, like you said: The FBI knew the case was falling apart, and continued onward anyway. That, at least to me at a gross motor level is deception. If not deceiving of other officials, then at the very least they deceived themselves and a good question is do we want people who deceive themselves at the head of our security apparatus?

 

You don’t think it’s a problem when the fbi went for TWO extensions of the FISA warrant after KNOWING the information inside was fraudulent?

 

Highlighted in red: Why not, we had one in the oval office for four years?

 

It indicates that if you pack a jury with sufficient numbers of dependent democrats, they acquit criminals that advanced the democratic party cause. Can you explain this?

 

The left here don't seem to care that their government is objectively corrupt. They like that. It makes them feel secure, like the party apparatchik they are...

 

Birds of a feather so they say..

 

Haven't you heard? Hillary was taken down but, the ALL MSM is lying to the public. Alex Jones said so...
Hillary hired a double for the duration.

 

I think they care and they actually like it. I don't think they get it that the rotting tree they sit in and laugh/jeer/heckle from will also be collapsing on them as well. The amount of corruption from the left is at levels we have never seen in America. When you have easily provable cases and they get "dismissed" then the system is completely broken. The war on the American citizen will only get worse.

 

I try (successfully) to ignore most of your conspiracy spewing, but ya need to get basic facts correct...

The Trump Tower meeting was on June 9th, 2016... Ergo, any emails setting up that meeting would have to come before that, right?

In fact, the primary setup emailing was on June 3rd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_meeting

The case against Carter Page was always on the line, but the case wasn't remotely falling apart against the other 3, especially Manafort....

 

Whining about trials by jury when ideologues want convictions but get acquittals is customary.

Hyper-partisan hopes for Durham were delusional: "Barr has unleashed Durham on a mission to destroy the deep state on a global scale."

Our system of justice endures. In adverse rulings, appeals are an option if anything untoward is suspected - just like recounts, audits, and legal challenges to a presidential election are available to a loser who can't handle the truth.

The dozens of frivolous challenges by the loser in the 2020 presidential election that were dismissed for lack of credible evidence upset some folks as well.

Propaganda media persists in spreading delusions - like that silly CyberNinja caper that was going to change the course of history.

Ultimately, reality is inescapable.

 

Proving lying is almost always a crapshoot, if you don't have physical proof (video or audio)... proving documents were stolen, when the stolen documents were found in control of the future defendant should be much easier...

 

Some folks were highly suspicious:

“The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government
inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor – with no lawyers.
They didn’t have any lawyers. Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad sh!t,
and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.”
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There was insufficient evidence of Trump's handlers actively coordinating with Putin's agents, despite two Republican-led Senate investigative committees confirming the findings of the FBI, NSA, and CIA that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to help Trump and hurt Clinton.

So it goes.

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