Durham loses again in court, but trial airs FBI flaws

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll ask again, in full clarity: From January 2017 to January 2019, Republicans had the majority in both the House and the Senate. That was the time for your "full congressional investigation." Why now? Because Durham has found nothing, you're now wanting that congressional involvement? I feel safe in assuming that you want it immediately after the next congress convenes in January 2023, if/when the GOP regains the majority. I also feel safe in assuming that's the buzz from right wing sources. Polly want a cracker?
     
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    cmon AN. Your defense is that the data was immaterial since they cannot participate in US election is just crazy. They DID, and Mueller proved that they did. The only thing Mueller could not prove was that the data they used is what came from the Trump campaign. You dont have to be Sherlock Holmes to see that 2+2=4.

    They got polling data from the Trump campaign - Not up for debate as Manafort went to prison for it

    The russians performed a disinformation campaign on social media t benefit Donald Trump - Proven in the final Mueller report

    Mueller cannot prove the russians used that actual data to run their campaign…..but if it walks like a duck…..
     
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    Unless you get Kilimick to flip, I don't see any chance of even charging a crime for what Manafort did

    The T**** campaign wanted the Russians to have the polling data so they could target their "innocuous Facebook Ad buys" to hit the target sections who were skeptical of Hillary.

    A great political scheme UNTIL you involve a malign foreign country to provide the money and ads...
     
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    He can't prove it, because it never happened and we know it never happened since they couldn't prosecute it. It took way less for them to 'open the investigation'. In other words, we don't believe in the conspiracy even if others do.
     
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    Are you suggesting that Durham and Co. were too stupid to see through a potential juror's bias?

    Breitbart, the darling of the far right. If that's where you go for information, no wonder you seem filled with hate. Sorry, but I will not visit that site, I don't trust it, and I fear the probable loss of brain cells, of which evidence abounds daily on this forum.
     
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    100% agree. Nobody is "special prosecutor" for life... Once Durham finished the investigations and prosecutions for which he was appointed by Barr, that part of his career should be over...
     
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    Run with your opinion and enjoy your beliefs.
     
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    That's NOT why Manafort went to prison... None of the charges were around the polling data...
     
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    Okay, that does it ... I'm gonna have to dust off my old argument.

    Either those who were never indicted are simply not guilty, or the left is chock full of criminal masterminds. The endless whinging from the right is, IMHO, nothing more than bitter resentment that many great muckymucks on the right are being caught red-handed.

    Perhaps the right needs smarter heros.
     
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    It is not opinion, but your is without any evidence.
     
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    Are we the only ones who actually read the Mueller Report?

    In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.
     
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    Yes, because all the conservatives get their info from reliable sources such as Hannity, Tucker, laura Ingram, Jeanne Piro, Beibart, and a plethora of other sites that know nothing, are nothing, and will never become anything.
     
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    I read the Mueller report. And people are going to treat a 'Durham report' the same way. Innuendo is not a fact.
     
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    And the left is just as pure as the driven snow....
     
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    Manafort handed the polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, who in turn handed to Russian intelligence services.

    https://apnews.com/article/donald-t...tin-kilimnik-d2fdefdb37077e28eba135e21fce6ebf

    I find that to be very relevant. Russian intelligence was behind the hackers at the infamous Internet Research Agency. They targeted specific voting districts with misinformation through social media, primarily Facebook. It's possible, even probable, that the Trump campaign's polling data that Manafort handed to Kilimnik was used to determine where to focus their misinformation campaign. It could not be proven, therefore Manafort wasn't charged with a crime on that issue, but the intent seems evident.
     
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    In dramas? Are you seriously comparing actual court proceeding to fictional ones?

    :roflol:

    Have you never served on a jury? Legal expertise is not required. All selected jurors are given detailed instructions in accordance with the procedural rules in that state or locality. For federal courts like this, the same set of instructions and information is used everywhere in the country.

    You seem to want this acquittal to be flawed. I think you're insulting everyone who ever served on a jury.
     
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    Please prove that hyperbolic, partisan claim.

    Both side pick the jury, ffs. Are you going to call them all liars unless they see things as you do??

    How typical of the right to play this victim card.
     
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    List the actual charges Manafort went to jail for, and you'll have your answer on your "proof". I'll give you a hint, it wasn't anything you've listed. Tax evasion, obstruction of justice because he lied to investigators and the case in NY got kicked out of court. Bottom line your facts on why Manafort went to jail are dead ass wrong.
     
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    The reality that the right doesn't want to admit or deal with is that their heros are mostly crooks and/or liars.
     
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    Please read the Mueller Report.
     
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    I kind of feel sorry for Durham. He had to know it was a futile task.
     
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    Some of us prefer knowledge to belief. If you believe the judicial system is rigged, where is the knowledge? Several righties here are crying foul, but none have any factual basis for that claim.
     
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    Your posts say otherwise. If you had read it, you would know the facts about Russia's interference.
     
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    Where did anyone EVER claim that? Sorry, but although both sides are far from perfect, it really is much more crooked on the right, based on known actions and subsequent investigations.

    The GOP investigated Hillary how many times? If you combine Benghazi and her home server, I'd say she is the most investigated political figure in history. Either she committed no actual crimes (other than the slap on the wrist that cost her the election), or she's one of the greatest criminal masterminds of all time.
     
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