Dying Vets' letter to Bush & Cheney ~ FU

You do know, there are no relevant advisory opinions or legal finding regarding the legality of the use of military force agaiinst Iraq in 2003. A decade has passed since...

I'll wait for a legitimate source and not some tofu smelling "Lefty" blog, with the banner...
"Here's why the war in Iraq was illegal."

I served in suppport of OIF.

Did you?

I was an Air Force Reservist who was activated along with hundreds of thousands of others in the Reserve command who deployed in support of OIF.

I can recognize the blunder of events, and the hubris involved with presupposing an easy transition from tyrannical rule to a democracy. I can recognize the utter failure in understanding the Iraqi culture, which led to a sustained counter-insurgency. I can recognize ignoring the lessons learned from the French in the Battle of Algiers in dealing with sustained counter-insurgencies...

What I do not recognize is the illegality of the actions themselves, when considering the Iraqis were blatantly violating sanctions imposed on them after the Persian Gulf war; which included firing upon U.S. aircraft enforcing the Northern and Southern Iraq no fly zones...in of itself...an act of war against the U.S.

I hope we're clear; and I'll wait for that source referencing the findings of the UN Security council regarding the legality, or should I say illegality of the use of military force against Iraq...good luck because no such findings exist.

 

the un did not authorize the invasion because they did not agree it was legal

 

Why does the usa get to impose no fly zones near other peoples nation?

 

That is the problem, Iraq was not for national defense. That is the point of the letter as well.

 

The last I checked, the United States has a voluntary armed services.

If you don't like killing other people or being injured or killed yourself, then don't sign on the dotted line.

Once you sign on the dotted line, you can't pick and choose the battles that you are sent to.

There are tens of thousands of wounded soldiers who do NOT share the same opinion as does Tomas Young.

They knew exactly what they might get into if they joined the armed forces.

Many wounded soldiers who have heeled and deemed fit for duty have reenlisted and wanted to go back to fight another day.

The military is not a summer camp. Its sole purpose is to kill the enemy before they kill you. Plain and simple.

 

Over 1500 soldiers have died in Afghanistan and thousands more have been wounded since 2009.

Those deaths and wounded are on Obama's blood soaked hands.

 

Might I point you to the final UN report.
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/SC7asdelivered.htm

You use the justification of violation of UN sanctions as the justification for war. Yet, the UN was back on the ground in Iraq making reports with quotes like:

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This was the reality, the UN on the ground with a compliant and contained Iraq. This was the nation we had to go to war with to defend ourselves. One that would allow us to inspect any place at any time, fly our planes over it and interview people outside the country. This was the country that we needed a war to defend our nation against. Because this is the country we started dropping bombs on.

And as far as your claims of no legal opinions of the war being illegal, that is just plain wrong. The Dutch Government has ruled it illegal. The secretary general of the UN, Kofi Annan, called the war illegal. The body that would be responsible for calling the war illegal is the UN security council, and the USA has veto power, so it has not made a ruling on this. However, the UN security council, specifically Russia, China and France all issued a joint statement saying the final UN resolution 1441 did not authorize war. In fact, the US Secretary of State told Syria the resolution did not authorize war to secure their vote.

 

details, details!! lol

 

A military member disobeys orders at his/her own peril.

Ultimately, it's not whether or not the military member thinks the order is illegal or unlawful, it's whether military superiors (and courts) think the order was illegal or unlawful.

Again, so I'm asking what military superior and courts found the order to deploy to Iraq, and the use of force against the Iraqis as illegal and unlawful?

I see, so say this young man who wrote the letter to Pres. Bush disparaging him and blaminig him for his personal woes...so this young man disobyed the order for troop movements as part of the deployment process.

What does he cite exactly?

What legal findiing is there to back up the assertion that obeyting an order to go to war in Iraq or supporting those who go to war in Iraq...is illegal?

Therefore, this young man, along with 1.2 million other military service personnel who have deployed as part of the operations in Iraq...are obliged to follow orders.

Enough said, it's his right to voice an opinion disparaging Pres. Bush, as someone who is no longer affiliated with the services...but it changes nothing really. So I reference, again a stanza from Alfred Lord Tennyson's
"The Charge of the Light Brigade"

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho'(though) the soldiers knew
  Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.

The very foundation of military service hinges upon discipline and following orders...and if disobey an order, you do so at your own peril.

Of course I do not expect civilians to understand any of this.

 

and you obey it at your own peril too, pal.

http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_cou_us_rule154

 

Who said anything about revolting?

What have you done in your local community to effect change?

 

The double standard among some of you is astounding.

Do you not even care that it makes you look like a complete (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bag?

Hey, so long as you can throw the other party under the bus though. The means justify the ends, even is that means you looking like a complete hypocrite.

 

The man invited conversation on the subject when he wrote the open letter.

He doesn't, nor do you, to tell everybody else that they are no longer free to express their perspective on the topic.

 

Per your signature:

 

I fixed that for you.

 

Sorry man,sucks you got injured and all,but you volunteerered for the duty

 

The same Despot that was our ally.. Short memories eh?

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) you could have voted for the one guy what would have pulled our troops out of those hell holes. Instead most voted for Obama and his drones or voted for Romney who would have us invading Iran. (*)(*)(*)(*)ing people never learn. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about the wars ( both parties) but then call a guy a kook who didnt want us involved in them in the first place.

 

"(2) willfully disobeys a lawful command of his superior commissioned officer;"

Do you know why they have lawful in there and not willfully disobeys a command of his superior commissioned officer;

Its pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ing said when this "no nothing civilian" knows the military code better then you do.

 

The word "lawfull" is not going to be much help to a soldier in the field because after the fact lawyers and courts can puzzle for years before deciding what is lawful ad what isn't.

Iraq and Afghanistan were mistakes but the big lie on the left is that they were unlawful and therefore Bush is a war criminal.

That's just lib bull (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

I'm not discussing the legality of the iraq war i am discussing the Military Code. Going outside of the law and not being punished are two different things. Taking money from segregated accounts is highly illegal but tell Corzine that who is probably waking up at a nice Caymen Island resort as i type this.

The Code states not to follow unlawful orders what the miltary does with that code is another thing.

 

A lot of people are making their case based on their hatred of Bush and the wars.

I'll bet some of these libs cheered when this soldier returned from Iraq on a stretcher because many libs did blame the troops for being in the service.

They will not admit that now but I debated libs in 2001 and I know,