You are welcome...I wasn't aware of that (the expulsion etc), those actions do show some umm' self governing within the system so maybe there is hope yet? Anyway I will withhold inviting them for dinner until some time passes and situations happen. In the meantime I am learning more about the MB, knowing my luck they will run a candidate for mayor of Elizabethton~ reva
If you're interested, this is quite a good book: http://www.amazon.com/Society-Muslim-Brothers-Richard-Mitchell/dp/0195084373
Believe it or not I was a Palestinian/Arab/'terrorist methods' ie guerrilla warfare, apologist long before I was a supporter of Israel for the very same reasons the usual suspects are. The learning process is difficult , sometimes literally painful when the evidence forces one to change dearly held opinions. The evidences etc mandated, finally demanded that I support Israel, but it took years of denial before I admitted to myself that I was living a 'rArab apologists' lie. Anyway, I am always interested in a good book, especially if it's about opposing/differing views etc. So, "the wise strategist will always weigh and consider the favourable and unfavourable factors in his deliberations. By factoring the favourable factors, the mission can be accomplished with confidence. By factoring the unfavourable factors, disasters and crises can be averted". Sun Tzu reva
The endless analysts, experts in Islamists, and other assorted pundits can write on and on as to how much the MB has evolved over the last decade. I think it is becoming quite clear that their capabilities remain formidable, their finances infinite, and their intentions unchanged.
I am highly critical of Israel, as you know, but I have never supported terrorist methods, and I am equally disgusted with Palestinian radicalism that cannot see past blind politics and backward ideological. I find it remarkable you support Israel so staunchly, and with such bias, although not surprisingly if your transition to such a position was as you describe it. Indeed, I totally agree. But the book I mentioned is quite objective and apolitical. Also, on the nature of Islamic extremism, I'd recommend this book, written by an American moderate Muslim. http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Cosmi...82664&sr=1-1&keywords=how+to+win+a+cosmic+war
Its possible, but I doubt it. The Muslim Brotherhood spread globally years ago. But MB parties are nationalist in character and political orientation - with their own unique objectives, requirements and challenges. That being said, both internally and externally there are a myriad of intentions and desires, alongside a diverse collection of actual political resources. Only time will tell what the MB is destined for. I'll have a read.
I wrote: Displacing governments is far from evidence of steps towards democracy and freedom - the nazi regime in Germany springs to mind not to mention more recently Iran. A litlle objectivity is called for. To which you responded: So you would say displacing dictatorial regimes is... not a step towards freedom? Interesting. (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid, but interesting. It follows that your reasoning here is that if displacing governments is far from evidence of steps towards democracy and freedom then displacing dictatorial regimes is not a step towards freedom. That is faulty logic and I pointed this out to you. You attempted to veil the faulty logic with fanciful punctuation but your following sentence makes the meaning quite clear. In addition you were insulting. This kind of argument is utilised by those who are ignorant and bigoted when unable to support their untenable position with evidence and reason. Referring to those who do not share your view collectively as "you lot" is also indicative of bigotry. If you refer again to what I quoted you for writing then you will see you mentioned democracy, so it isn't changing the subject, far from it as you have consistently made the point that democracy doesn't come overnight.
To which you responded: So you would say displacing dictatorial regimes is... not a step towards freedom? Interesting. (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid, but interesting. Seems you havent understood my point at all, But I'll keep in mind that when it comes to Islamic societies as has been witnessed, the displacement of dictatorship is bad. You didnt point out faulty logic at all - you simply disregarded the context of my comment. I did not insult you. I merely stated my opinion that I found the comment made to be (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid. Not at all, since the reference is entirely accurate. Which comment? You changed the subject. I merely addressed the points you made also.
Your point was based on a fallacy and I understood that perfectly adequately, trying to make out that you were merely misunderstood changes nothing. There's a difference between displacement of a dicatator and displacement of dictatorship, you obviously confuse the two. There is no rule that displacement of dictators leads to a good or a bad result though you obviuously want that to be the case. Yes I did point it out to you, go back and check. As for your claim that I disregarded the context, that is nonsense, it was simply a fallacy you came up with, nothing more nothing less. You called my statement ignorant. A statement cannot in itself be ignorant since ignorance means lacking knowledge or education. Describing a statement as ignorant means that it is made by a person who is ignorant - out of ignorance, making it an insult. It is anything but accurate, it was a generalisation putting down those who do not share your opinion, and I repeat it is indicative of bigotry. The comment which I quoted and which mentioned democracy. No. I didn't change the subject at all rather I posted evidence which showed you were wrong and however much you wriggle you are still wrong!
Once again, I never said getting rid of a dictator ensures good outcomes. I said getting rid of a dictator was a good thing, to which you disagreed. You think dictators are good when it comes to Islamic societies. I get it. You didnt point out faulty logic at all - you simply disregarded the context of my comment. And that is what that comment lacked, aside from education. It was written in perfect English. Not at all. If I thought you were ignorant I would have said so. It wasnt a generalization at all. It described the people I referred to perfectly. Which comment? You never made such a quote. You changed the subject. I merely addressed the points you made also. I already proved you wrong.
