Employers Should Not Be Able To Intimidate With Political Views

Anarchist communist is a contradiction. Communism cannot exist without the state.

I don't give a s*** what theoretical fairy tale predates reality. Anarchism is a pipe dream if it wasn't that's how we would live.

 

you are talking about a group of people that will use threat of violence to force their will on everyone that by definition is government. It's just fascist dictatorship through Force.

Calling it Anarchy it is to not understand the meaning of the word Anarchy.

 

All social orders are imposed through violence, including our present one. The mere existence of violence is not valid criteria to decide if you support a system based on.

 

No one has addressed whether unions should be free to strongly influence their members into voting a certain way.

And should a worker be forced to contribute money to a union if they know the union supports political causes the worker doesn't agree with?

 

systems aren't Anarchy

 

The sad part is that nothing you believe is going to change anything, nor help your future- it can only harm you, not those you are angry at. You are stuck, and the world is moving away from you- and it's not going to look back.

Good luck. Hope you don't wind up under a bridge or in jail before you figure it out.

 

People who share a political point of view can be said to form a particular class of individuals. I am not saying we exclusively extend protection to a particular class and leave out others. What I am saying is that employers should not be able to discriminate against employees based on their political views, no matter what they may be.

 

A business is not unlike a team. In order to keep it functioning well, it requires a degree of harmony- not rancor and bickering. If a person's political belief prevents them from working with others in harmony, I wouldn't be hiring them. It would be them disqualifying themselves, not my dislike of their politics.

 

You won't like this, but the vast majority of humanity will soon be found under jails and in prisons. We're all trapped.

 

The flaw I find in your contention is that it implies that there is no such thing as coercion. You say that employers cannot force their opinions on employees because the employee can simply leave. However by that logic one can say that no one is a slave because even a slave does not have to do what the slave master says. He can simply refuse to do it. However if he refuses to do so, he can be exposing himself to severe punishment or even death. Therefore the choices that slave has makes the slave masters demands rise to the level of forced coercion. Similarly, an employer has considerable control over an employee's sustenance. Therefore the choices available to the employee makes the employer, who tries to force his views on the employee, a participant in forced coercion.

 

Indeed a business is like a team. However employers NOR employees should force their political opinions on others who may not share their views. As I have stated, it is somewhat like sex, when someone makes it clear they do not agree with your opinion and would rather not discuss such views, that should be the end of the matter. Such behavior does not create discord in the work place. What creates discord in the workplace is immature people who want to force their political views on others who do not share them.

 

It is interesting that you have said this. I have said that at some point in the future, people with power will essentially enslave the mass of people making them essentially prisoners in prison labor camps.

 

I think that is a very good question. Why don't you start a thread so that it can be discussed? I would be interested in hearing various points of view.

 

if they were unfairly targeted because of that I would support more legislation.

Okay all right think I communicated poorly here. When I said class I meant classification you can classify people by their political beliefs so in that regard political beliefs would be a class. Not necessarily people with political beliefs political beliefs themselves it is it classification not a group.

So we made rules against discriminating against people based on their classification as a certain race. As well as sex or religion or a few other things. There was a reason to protect the class of race when will you made that law one particular race was being systematically discriminated against. The class of political opinion doesn't show that

At least not to my knowledge. If there is I may not know about it and that's okay you can educate me.

 

there is absolutely coercion but you don't have to be subject to it.

well the slave faces a few more things other than the prospects of having to find another job he could face beatings or even death a slave is property. So yeah a slave can do what they want but a master can abuse that slave and employer cannot if you quit they can't come to your house and beat the crap out of you or kill you for not doing what they say you can quit a job a slave cannot.

but an employee can quit you can get up and walk out right in the middle of work I've done it before. Your employer is not going to beat you up they're not going to kill you.

no they do not the job market is competitive you can walk away from one job and get another one in the same thing I've done that before.

the worst an employer can do is fire you that doesn't equal death or no longer able to sustain you can go get another job.

 

No, just those who believe they are trapped are the ones in trouble, they are in a deep hole and won't stop digging. We're creating millionaires at a record pace, setting new highs in nearly every field, going where no one ever expected possible- and making life easier everyday. Life has never been perfect, but it's never been easier. Still- it's not so easy you don't have to work at it, and it never will be.

 

Wages have been stagnating for decades despite productivity and cost of living both going drastically up, but okay, whatever helps you sleep at night

 

It's not a matter or forcing it on them. What I said is that it can't be allowed to create discord. You seem to understand that; politics just don't belong in the workplace. Now a great many people just do not have enough self-control to keep them our. Sometimes employers, sometimes employees.

 

Imagine you are the person hiring others to help your business succeed, and an applicant comes in with your attitude. Would you be so foolish as to bring that kind of toxic mindset into your place of business? Would you feel you should pay such a person all you could knowing he would be undermining the morale of your people?

Ask yourself what would be valuable to help you reach your goals if you owned a business. Then you may understand why some never find very good jobs- they have so little of value to sell to the employer.

 

I believe in class warfare, why would I care what my bosses want? I lie to my bosses and pretend I think they're the gods on earth they think they are because that's what gets me my way. I actively advocate for slowing down or stopping work whenever you can get away with it and genuinely being a low-down dirty bastard, because that's what gets me and people like me what we want and gets our enemies less of what they want.

 

And you tell yourself they are evil and the whole game of life is stacked against you.
There is a reason for that.
If you had to recognize it wasn't then you would have to blame yourself for the position you are in.
I have no doubt that the same rules apply to your family and friends- you live a fake life so they won't see you as you are.
There is nothing for you to win with your "class warfare". The class you are in is the class you chose and define by your own values and actions.
You are the only person who can change that. It's a really sad place to be.

 

I am fine with freedom and business owners are included.

 

discrimination based on race, religion or gender is against the law, yes, religious fanatics have to follow the law too

 

agree

 

Employers often go to far, so do Unions, the two keep each from going to the extreme imo

give either total control and things go south...