End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

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Should Affirmative Action be ended? Including diversity considerations.

  1. Yes.

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    82.4%
  2. No.

    13 vote(s)
    17.6%
  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for sharing! I am proud of my great-grandparents who were building Soviet Russia during the Revolution and Civil War. Communism turned Totalitarian only much later -- in late 1920s and 1930s.

    My grandparents suffered tremendously during the Great Patriotic War, but thank G-d no one was on the territory occupied by the Nazis. My parents experienced some anti-Semitism. They obtained their degrees during Khrushchev's reign -- he was more tolerant then Brezhnev.

    I almost never experienced anti-Semitism as I left USSR at an early age. In USA I encountered almost no anti-Semitism except some jokes in High School.
     
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    There are many Jewish Nobel Prize winners. Here. I am not proud of others achievement.

    What is important is that I am not a part of European culture. European Culture has a legacy of Genocide and Colonialism.
     
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    Well women have been held back for centuries so let’s see what women discover and 20 years from now.
    My husband was not Jewish and one day I called him at his office and it happened to be St. Patrick’s Day and they said that my husband was the only Jewish guy in the St. Patrick’s Day parade. When I asked my husband what that was all about he said told them he was Jewish because they made so many anti-Semitic remarks that he didn’t want to hear. He also wasn’t in the parade..he was getting lunch .
     
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    My high school was mostly Jewish...and these people went there..Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, Carol King, and Judge Judy not to mention all the Pulitzer and Nobel prize winners. Oh and I went there too
     
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    Perhaps, anti-Semitism was widespread in USA, perhaps it is still.

    In late USSR anti-Semitism was significant and members of Russian Communist Party still hold such views. Fortunately they got only 8% of votes.

    Russia's Great Virtue is their role in WWII -- Russia defeated the Nazis. Russia saved Jews from Nazis.
     
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    Check your privilege!
     
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    Women have abdicated their primary reason for being on earth, to reproduce. This is especially true for liberal women. This is why the future does not belong to liberals, it belongs to those that breed. In Europe, it will be Islamic. In America, we are trending towards the 3rd world and that will accelerate. In any event, key discoveries will most likely continue to be made by men. The men who make these discoveries are freaks of nature. They have about as much in common with an ordinary man as they do with women..... they are the 0.000000001%. In any event I could care less, if women make discoveries, good for them.

    There is no doubt in my mind that a women with 120+ IQ would do America a great service by having a dozen children. .

    https://www.jta.org/2019/05/01/glob...eluctant-to-call-out-anti-semitism-by-muslims
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2019/11/french-jews-fleeing-country/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_and_intelligence
     
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    it was a privilege!
     
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    I bet you loved Handmaids Tale
     
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    Yes, PAST centuries.
     
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    Unfortunately, IQ isn't genetic. She could have an IQ of 160, but if she's a non-engaged mother, or unstable, or inconsistent, or any one of the many parental causes of arrested intellectual development in children, it won't mean a thing.
     
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    Now we know you have no real skin in the game and that what you are saying about racism and sexism in contemporary society is all founded on theoretical speculation and not on real-life experience.

    Then you use your high-status position to tell children of minority parents how unlucky and oppressed they are for having been born brown and/or with a vagina. It is belittling, smug, haughty and quite pathetic.

    Ugh.
     
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    Go Rittz!
     
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    Yeah I have no real life experience because I went to a high school that had those people that I mentioned. So what if I taught in the toughest area of Brooklyn New York for over 25 years. That wouldn’t give me any insight right? And of course being a female growing up in a patriarchy wouldn’t give me any real life experience right? and how dare you accuse me of telling children how unlucky and oppressed they are for being born brown or female.What you are doing is projecting your negativity on to me based on nothing but childish suppositions. I hear from students that I had from the first year I taught telling me how much I encourage them. The trouble with people like you is that you cannot empathize. Even if I was a high status position does that mean I am unable to care about others? Stop projecting how you think onto me
     
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    Gender Issues bring out irreconcilable differences not just in the same Community, but in the same family.

    This Thanksgiving I remember my Grandmother (RIP) and I express gratitude to my Mother for loving and appreciating me despite the differences. My mother knows my attitude toward male-bashers in MSM and places like r/TrollXChromosomes. I am under prohibition from discussing these issues at home, but my parents know my views.

    Many Americans disown their family members over politics. Most Americans abandon adult relatives with Disability.
     
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    I am not saying this necessarily applies to you, but a lot of the people who work with "the oppressed" and who give "anti-hate workshops" act like Masters who walk around their cotton field pointing fingers, correcting and educating the Black man about "the real world he has no clue about because he is Black".

    Unless you grew up in Iran or something the answer is nope.

    You have accused me of being a misogynist, a rape-apologist and even told me "hope you never have daughters", so we are on even grounds now. I am just feeding you with your own spoon, so to speak.

    Good for you, I guess.

    Maybe you should stop bragging about it?
     
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    you really project such terrible things onto others . And bigotry is sometimes hidden when people say things like white people tell black people “he has no clue about because he is black” I think you need my workshop . You’re projecting an awful lot
    I grew up where I was paid less than men, couldn’t get credit in my own name, rape wasn’t taken seriously etc. But you sound like an extremist so it has to be iran as the comparison.
    An interesting point about “bragging“ there is prejudice against the wealthy. If I said to you that I am very poor you wouldn’t accuse me of bragging. I am just stating that I am privileged and lucky, and it doesn’t mean that I don’t have compassion for the oppressedI told you about my husband coming from abusive foster care to retiring in his forties and he said something which I thought was great for you. He said, “there is no dignity in being poor and no shame in being wealthy” ....But there is prejudice against the poor and the rich
     
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    My PM-box is open and you are more than welcome to send me your work-sheets, questionaires, PowerPoints, tests and assignments. :)
     
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    I laugh when you suggest power points. When I make speeches on classroom management I always threaten my audiences that if they don’t laugh at my jokes I’m going to pull out power points.
     
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    I was serious about my mailbox being open for your material.
     
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    Done
     
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    Some cases are not as clear-cut. Indeed, some disagreements are irreconcilable.

    My great-grandparents worked to build Communism until it turned Totalitarian and expelled Jews from leadership. Some Rabbis at that time, especially Hafetz-Haim considered Communism evil.

    Both, some Rabbis who opposed Communism and some proletariat Jews who worked to build Communism had many valid points. Both had their own Virtue. But their views were irreconcilable.
     
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