EU agrees to put Hezbollah military wing on terror list

Yes this is true.. Same as US wars.. The US aerial bombardment campaign is the biggest international terrorist operation occurring BY FAR. The only thing that tops it right now is an internal conflict in Syria

But we are "fighting terrorism".

Conversely, Hezbollah and some of their supporters, while not drawing as much blood, don't second guess their attacks against civilians any differently.

Nobody ever calls their own doings terrorism. That said, they all do the terrorism.

This has been, like always the case since the days of Mongolian warlords putting heads on spears for public display, and much earlier.

So irrespective of labels and terms, the actual action of attacking civilians on purpose is still featured in virtually every war there is.

That said, I think we should change that. We're smart enough now to realize we can change it. Refusal to do so is not an excuse. EVERYONE thinks their side is justified.

 

What a complete and utter load of nonsense, terrorism is defined as the intentional targeting of non-combatants by clandestine or subnational groups in order to instill fear amongst a given society in order to effect political or societal goals, a) the U.S. military is neither a clandestine or subnational group, and b) we (like Israel) do not intentionally target non-combatants and in fact do everything within our power to minimize civilian casualties whereas terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, Hamas, and AQ do everything in their power to maximize civilian casualties.

 

Well I certainly don't think Hezbollah are the biggest terrorists in the world.. No way.. The US continue to demolish civilians daily, so does Assad, so do the FSA etc... They are way worse.

I don't think the EU are being perfectly objective; rather it appears they are trying to regarding the situation regarding Israel and their enemies.

They have offered nothing but talk for the longest time... They do reporting as well. But no actionable measures.. Until nowadays, they are doing very very slight things, finally.. So it looks like they are starting off in a worthwhile direction.

 

There isn't much that can be done to avoid civilian casualties when you're carpet bombing a city.

Of course, it's not Israel's fault if civilians happen to live in the city.

 

Israel does not carpet bomb cities.

 

No definition I use for terrorism has any distinction for whether it's a state actor or not behind it.

If Israel were doing everything they could to avoid civilian casualties, they wouldn't shoot at unarmed people, which is a war crime.

Likewise, the USA wouldn't be doing all these drone strikes against unidentified people, or double-tap drone strikes.

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No definition I use for terrorism has any distinction for whether it's a state actor or not behind it.

If Israel were doing everything they could to avoid civilian casualties, they wouldn't shoot at unarmed people, which is a war crime.

Likewise, the USA wouldn't be doing all these drone strikes against unidentified people, or double-tap drone strikes.

 

I agree with most of what you say, but I would still argue that no such steps should be taken against any armed organisation that exists primarily to defend it's country from a much more powerful and aggressive neighbour.

 

Shooting at unarmed civilians is not Israeli military doctrine and those who do it and are found out are charged and prosecuted the same is true for the U.S. military.

Drone strikes are precision strikes against known enemy combatants, mistakes are made but there has not been a single proven account of the U.S. military intentionally targeting non-combatants with drone strikes.

As to this so called "double tap" nonsense that's like saying that a F-16 should only be allowed to fire one missile or infantry can only fire one mortar.

 

- See more at: http://warincontext.org/2012/11/16/...ys-time-to-flatten-gaza/#sthash.wmAB0iU9.dpuf

 

Same as 9/11 then.

 

Who got charged for the Blackwater massacres? Who got charged for the Haditha Massacre? Who got charged for homicide for torturing US detainees to death in multiple locations? Which IOF troops have been charged for the multiple shooting deaths of unarmed Palestinian protestors at the "border" (really on Palestinian land) fence so far in 2013?

According to whom? Proof?

Proven false by "signature strikes" and "double-tap" (medic/first responder killing) strikes.

Yes there is lots of proof. Double-tap drone strikes.

Besides, the target list is top secret. So claiming there is no proof while at the same time all the data is under lock and key is kinda silly. Kinda like how Monsanto boasts about how there is no proof that their mystery crops can have a long term safety issue.

 

And the source for these before and after images? It is no secret that anti-Israel propagandists even in reuters are quite fond of photoshop. Tell me what form of bomb are they using to "carpet bomb" cities? What is the delivery system? In this the age of the cell phone video camera can you provide a video of one of these supposed carpet bombing raids?

 

LOL you mean the alleged massacre that was disproven conclusively by the UAV video which showed heavy fighting?

Name those tortured to death.

Cite specific examples?

The casualty figures.

Signature strikes kill lower level militants but they are still militants, the casualty figures prove that the overwhelming majority of those killed by drone attacks are militants, to suggest that firing more than one missile is somehow akin to targeting civilians is laughable on its face.

And this proof constitutes the testimony of the relatives of militants, Taliban, and Taliban sympathizers.

According to casualty reports the overwhelming majority of those killed in these strikes are militants.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...hs-after-increasing-cia-pakistan-strikes.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/22/world/la-fg-drone-strikes-20110222
http://www.longwarjournal.org/pakistan-strikes.php
http://www.economist.com/node/21524916
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/02/counting_civilian_casualties_in_cia_s_drone_war
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/02/26/20120226study-drone-strikes.html?nclick_check=1

 

What military value did the WTC's have? Furthermore; airplanes full of civilians are not "enemy infrastructure". By enemy infrastructure I am referring to electrical grids, communication grids, airports, bridges, armament factories and various other strategic sites with military value not buildings and planes full of civilians with absolutely no military value whatsoever.

 

Background;

In the months prior to 2006 Hamas had maintained a unilateral ceasefire as a matter of new policy. They maintained this for many months even as the Zionists continued to assassinate Palestinians. Finally, the Zionists committed the outrage of the Gaza Beach Massacre. They shelled Gaza Beach whilst it was filled with Palestinian civilians.
During the occupation of Gaza by the IOF and squatters , Palestinians had not been allowed on Gaza beach. In fact, a generation of Gazans had never seen the sea. It was an act of unimaginable spite that Palestinians should be thus murdered whilst enjoying their own beach;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_beach_explosion_(2006)

The incident proved too much for Hamas moderates and set in motion a chain of events involving Hamas retaliation and the shelling of Gaza by Zionist tanks and artillery. It was during one of these assaults that Hamas tunneled into the Zionist lines and captured one of their tank gunners, Gilad Shalit. The Zionist response to this resistance action was to launch Operation Summer Rains- a systematic slaughter of Gazans by land, sea and aerial attack. The world at large did nothing to stop them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Summer_Rains

Hizb'Allah, on the other hand, decided to draw the Zionists' attention away from Gaza by taking out some Zionist soldiers who had entered Lebanon from northern Israel. This was their attempt to help their abandoned brothers and sisters in Gaza. They miscalculated the Zionist response, however, which resulted in the Second Lebanon War. The Zionist military poured into Lebanon but, surprisingly to the outside world, Hizb'Allah repulsed them. Unfortunately, their air force inflicted terrible damage upon Lebanese infrastructure and massive casualties amongst Lebanese civilians.

So don't fall under the spell of western propaganda which claims that Hizb'Allah mindlessly murdered Israeli civilians in 2006. It was a war and the Zionists mindlessly murdered over a thousand Lebanese people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

You'll find discrepancies in the western reports, most of which subserviently parrot the neoZionist mantra. Now that you've got a potted background you can examine the facts as you find them

 

Facts july 2013 -
Hamas - hated by the Egyptians.
Muslim brotherhood - kicked out from ruling Egypt.
Hezbollah - under attack with houndreds dead in the Syrian war.
Nazrallah - Kalb. still hiding underground like a dog in his bunker.
Allah is trying to tell you something ya arab.

 

Well if 99.9% don't hit anything, why all the fuss? Further, why would they use them against the IDF if they are such ineffective weapons? Hezbollah has its own methods when it comes to the IDF, and these methods have proved effective.

When a population is constantly subject to loud explosions and shock-waves set off by incessant air-strikes, they become demoralized. Demoralization of a population can undercut the ability to maintain and/or fulfill military objectives. Israel does it, and so does Hezbollah. It may be 'wrong,' but it's standard war.

 

How about this?

[video=youtube;TA5TKw4r-i0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA5TKw4r-i0[/video]

Here is some more info:

 

Hezbollah was suspected to be behind the Marine barracks bombing that killed 241 US Marines 30 years ago but the Lebanese militant group had not posed terror threat to Europe until last year. The two Lebanese suspects, who were identified after a bomb attack against Israeli tourists in Bulgaria last year, were thought to be Hezbollah members. In Cyprus, a Hezbollah operative was found guilty of planning attacks against Israeli citizens and Hezbollah is engaging in terrorist activities outside Lebanon in recent years (i.e. Syria). The Lebanese government treats Hezbollah as a Lebanese resistance force and the group fought against Israeli forces successfully in 2000 and 2006 but Lebanon may be playing with fire as it harbours terrorist groups in southern Lebanon to protect the country from Israel.

 

People who claim Israel has no right to attack Lebanon should understand that if militants hide in civilian buildings they become legitimate targets.

Dont want schools hospitals etc to be hit? Hide in the countryside or mountains. If Lebanon dislikes getting blasted to oblivion they should dismanlte Hizbollah. This Jihad group is the only reason Israel is even slightly interested in whats going on in lebanon.

 

''Militants'' generally are civilians, who live in civilian buildings.

Would you consider the homes of any IDF personnel to be legitimate targets for Hezbollah?

The fact that Israel is ''interested'' in Lebanon is the only reason Hezbollah came to exist in the first place.

Israel's interest in Lebanon came first, Hezbollah came after.

You're putting the cart before the horse.

 

Right, before that there was"only" Palestinian terror...

 

How about couching it in similar terms to those used by drone-huggers, for example- ' Reports confirmed that suspected CIA militants were in the building and planning attacks against muslim interests '

 

rastructure I am referring to electrical grids, communication grids,

That's not what WWII was like.. We demolished entire cities. Residential districts and all.

 

No, I'm referring to the Haditha Massacre in which 24 civilians, none of which were armed, many of which were women and children, were executed by multiple shots at point-blank range by US marines.

Who got sentenced for homicide?

No videos ever showed otherwise. There's plenty of evidence about the massacre.

Many people in places like Abu Ghraib and Baghram were tortured to death, with US autopsy reports confirming death by asphyxiation, blunt trauma etc.

http://www.aclu.org/human-rights-na...ainees-during-interrogations-afghanistan-and-

How about Gul Rahman, the innocent man the CIA put into a stress position and froze to death in Afghanistan?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/28/salt-pit-death-gul-rahman_n_516559.html

What about Manadel Jamadi, the innocent man the CIA crucified in Iraq?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22941.htm

Who got prosecuted for homicide in regards to any of these cases?

[relating to IOF shooting unarmed protestors at Palestinian fence on Palestinian territory]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/28/palestinian-deaths-israel-army-live-fire

Instead of a bunch of links, will you just tell me what the numbers you say you have are and where they came from, and importantly, what defines "militant" and who determines it and how.

I don't know how you can claim drone strikes are accurate when you've got hundreds of dead children.

That's false. These are UNIDENTIFIED targets, demolished due to "suspicious" behavior.

If it were two missiles in concert.. I'm talking about shooting one missile, then waiting a few minutes or hours, THEN shooting another missile.

What's the point of that delay? What's the point of that extra strike?

Do you know why terrorists put secondary explosive devises on their car bombs?