Europe To Send Conspiracy Theorists To ‘Reeducation Camps’

NO! You OBVIOUSLY don't get it.

This is a joke:



That, in reality, WILL NEVER equal 6 million.

Major math fail.

 

No you don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing get it bud, the figure from Auschwitz was never part of the 6 million estimate.

 

Well, the rest of the world disagrees. And notice how you keep repeating this, but have provided 0 evidence?

 

No only Nazi's disagree, the Soviet figure at Auschwitz was never a part of the 6 million estimate.

The Auschwitz Gambit: The Four Million Variant

Writer: Brian Harmon

Holocaust deniers commonly make claims such as:

Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted the 4.1 million"gassing" deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-Semite, neo-nazi skinhead (at the very least). Quietly, because of revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million. No mention of that missing 3 million.[1]​

On May 12th, 1945, a few months after the liberation of Auschwitz, a Soviet State Commission reported that not less than four million people were murdered there[2] . This number was displayed at the Auschwitz State Museum until 1991, when it was lowered to 1.1 million.[3] The total death toll for Jews in the Holocaust, however, stayed at about six million. Mainstream historians, it seemed, were caught in a bind. Had three million fewer people died in the Holocaust? And if so, why hadn't historians reevaluated their own figures?

Holocaust deniers soon capitalized on this apparent contradiction, both in The Spotlight (see above) and in the ad sent to many college newspapers by Bradley Smith's "Committee For Open Debate on the Holocaust".[4] :

The Auschwitz State Museum has recently revised its half-century-old claim that 4 million humans were murdered there. The Museum now says maybe it was 1 million. But what proof does the Museum provide to document the 1 million figure? None! The communist propagandists who manage the museum have put on display piles of hair, boots and eyeglasses, etc. While such displays are effective propaganda devices, they are worthless as historical documentation for "gassings" or a program of "extermination."

Meanwhile, Revisionists want to know where those 3 million souls have been the last 45 years. Were they part of the fabled Six Million?
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And again in a Spotlight article about Holocaust "revisionist" David Cole's trip to Auschwitz:[5]

Like most Americans, since his youth Cole had been instructed in the "irrefutable fact" that homicidal gassings had taken place at Auschwitz. The number of those so executed - also declared irrefutable - was 4.1 million.​

Then came the Leuchter Report in 1988. This was followed by a "re-evaluation" of the total deaths at Auschwitz (down to 1.1 million). As a budding historian - and a Jew - Cole was intrigued.​

And in the Holocaust denial magazine The Journal of Historical Review:[6] :

In the view of those who believe--or cause others to believe--in the [Holocaust], mass gassings, especially of Jews, were carried out in the concentration camps of the Third Reich. Above all in Auschwitz (hence the term "Auschwitz Myth"), four million Jews were gassed. [The Nuremberg Tribunal "established" that four million PEOPLE (Jews and non-Jews) had been KILLED (by all means) at Auschwitz.]

Currently, though, unimpeachable sources are seeking to reduce this [sic] figure to 1.5 million. On mathematical grounds alone, the "symbolic figure of Six Million " should be reduced by 3.5 million. Of course, such a reduction does not lessen the [gravity of the] crime in any way, because even one victim is one too many.​

[Continued]

Holocaust deniers would have people believe that the Auschwitz State Museum's death toll of four million was a widely accepted idea, and that any revisions in this number should also lower the total dead from the Holocaust. Deniers often claim that this revision is largely due to the efforts of "revisionist scholars", and then use this as evidence that the stories of mass murder at Auschwitz are a hoax.

Deniers also claim that anyone who dared to question the four million figure was "labeled an Anti-Semite, neo-nazi skinhead (at the very least)." By accusing their opponents of slander, deniers can simultaneously tarnish the reputations of real historians, and also invoke a "conspiracy" thatsuppresses "the truth." Conspiracy theorizing is another common denier approach, and they use it to explain why their "startling facts" have been ignored for so long. Deniers almost always overstate the "Four Million Variant,"as they would like to portray Holocaust historians as a repressive, Jewish dominated cadre that rigidly enforces the "dogma" of four million dead at Auschwitz.

As is often the case, our "revisionist scholars" have things more than a little askew. "The Four Million Variant" is the fallacious notion that a change in the Auschwitz Museum's figure pokes a major hole in mainstream Holocaust history. Taking each aspect of the "Four Million Variant" individually shows just how wrongheaded this notion is:

"The four million figure at Auschwitz was a widely held notion."​

This is clearly false. In a quick survey of nineteen historical references (see appendix) only two listed the total Auschwitz dead at four million [7], [8] One of these, Friedman's "This Was Oswiecim: The Story of a Murder Camp," was published in 1946, well before morereliable estimates were available. Most list figures from 1 to 2.5 million, and they arrived at these figures in a variety of methods .

Some quoted Kommandant Höss's testimony (2.5 million) and others attempted to piece together how many people arrived at Auschwitz, minus any survivors, while still others used available pre- and post war census data. In fact, to find many sources that do list four million dead, one has to find books published behind the iron curtain (see appendix).

Other authors derided the Tribunal's four million figure as an absurd example of Soviet propaganda.[9],[10] For example, Gerald Reitlinger's The Final Solution discussed the source of the State Museum's figure and why he found it ludicrous:

...The Red Army did not arrive [at Auschwitz] till January 26th. They found 2,819 invalids in the three camps, whom they spared no pains to nurse back to health. In due course a Soviet State Commission arrived and on May 12th the world was presented with its findings.

However, using rectified coefficients for the part time employment of the crematorium ovens and for the periods when they stood empty, the technical expert.commission has ascertained that during the time that the Auschwitz camp existed, the German butchers [sic] exterminated in this camp not less than four million citizens of the U.S.S.R., Poland, France, Jugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Rumania, Hungary, Holland, Belgium, and other countries.'

The world has grown mistrustful of 'rectified coefficients' and the figure of four million has become ridiculous. Unfortunately, Russian arithmetic has blurred the stark and inescapable fact that 800,000 to 900,000 human beings perished in Auschwitz, its gas chambers and its camps. There are probably too many incalculable factors to make a closer estimate of the number of Auschwitz victims possible...[11]​

Reitlinger's book was published in 1968, well before the deniers claim the figure fell into disfavor, and twenty years before "revisionist scholars" began challenging the figure.

Another issue is the denier notion that anyone who dared to stray from the "Four Million" was labeled an anti-Semite and then hounded into submission by some mainstream historians, the media, or Jews. This soon becomes a laughable idea once one sees the wide-ranging estimates in the mainstream literature. If no one dared question the Soviet Commission's "four million," one must wonder why Reitlinger would be so bold as to call it "ridiculous," and also why so few historians believed that figure.


http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/four-million-01.html

Thanks for playing.

 

Come on, nizkor? Really? Try for a moment to separate fact from propaganda. Nizkor is a know Jewish propaganda site. Let's see facts now. Wait... you have none.

 

The facts were presented by Nizkor, now you claim that the Soviet figure at Auschwitz was included in the overall 6 million figure I have provided evidence to the contrary including the Nizkor article, as well, as the World Almanac Census comparisons for the global Jewish population showing a 5.5 million drop, now either provide your evidence that the 6 million estimates relied on the Soviets Auschwitz figure or we're done here.

 

LOL

You were done pages ago. The Auschwitz figure was revised years ago not only by Auschwitz themselves, but also by the Yad Vashem World Holocaust Remembrance Center in Israel. Look it up.

It is impossible to keep the 6,000,000 number from Nuremberg alive after this revision.

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Don't forget much of that was based off of the tortured confession of Hoss.





This is yet another example of you not even knowing the story you are trying to support.

 

I think it's in the talmud, part of their prophecy written thousands of years ago. Strange how that number just magically popped up for the holohoax, isn't it?

 

OMFG you can't be this (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid, the Auschwitz figure from the Soviets never had anything to do with the 6 million estimate.

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Provide the verse from the Talmud. We'll wait.

 

The talmud even more bizarrely actually claims that in the 2nd century AD, that:

"There were four hundred synagogues in the city of Bethar, and in every one were four hundred teachers of children, and each one had under him four hundred pupils, and when the enemy entered there they pierced them with their staves, and when the enemy prevailed and captured them, they wrapped them in their scrolls and burnt them with fire."
--Gittin 58a of the Babylonian Talmud

To put that in perspective:
400 synagogues x 400 teachers/synagogue x 400 pupils/teacher = 64,000,000 children

The above of course, is as impossible as the 6,000,000 number that has been circulated by these same people since before the 1900s.

 

Ah so you're posting a completely irrelevant Talmudic verse, touche.

 

"irrelevant ?"

HOW MANY JEWS WERE ON EARTH DID YOU CLAIM?

 

I don't think camps are warranted, but in many cases a mental institution and medication may be very helpful.

 

Correct! There was never that many Jews on earth.

 

I was looking for a 6 million figure from the Talmud, I'm still waiting.

 

And I quoted the talmud and its story that it was actually 64,000,000 children that were burnt to death in 2 AD.

You and I both KNOW that there were not that many Jews on earth.

 

I don't care what's in the Talmud unless it's the number of 6 million dead. I imagine I'll be waiting quite a bit for that verse.

 

As stated:

I quoted the talmud and its story that it was actually 64,000,000 children that were burnt to death in 2 AD.

You and I both KNOW that there were not that many Jews on earth.

Go ahead, admit I was right again.

 

I don't care what's in the Talmud unless it's the number of 6 million dead the Talmud is not intended to be an accurate history book. I imagine I'll be waiting quite a bit for that verse

 

The Talmud was written by MANY Rabbis, many authors, more than 1,500 yearsa go.

it has zero bearing whatsoever on the Holocaust, which is a reletively recent historic event with living eye-witnesses and tons of unrelated documentation to verify it.

Your silly little paragraph from the Talmud is kinda meaningless.

the only point we can take from your claims, is that you believe Jews are inherently and notorously liars who cannot be trusted.

is this what you are trying to say?

 

He was looking for the 6,000,000 number in the talmud. I showed him it was actually 64 mil. We all agree that that many Jews never existed. I even posted how the 6,000,000 number was invented in the 1800s:



Not sure why you are so confused, nor why it is all of a sudden such a big deal for you two. It's just facts.

 

so what are you getting at?

are you trying to defame the Jewish people as being compulsive liars?

there is not one single Shoah study that claims 6,000,000 Jews were killed in the Holocaust.

not one.

so.....your claim is silly.

 

Huh? It is not my claim. It comes directly from the talmud. My claim that we all agree that there were not 64 million Jews on earth is simple fact.

 

no (*)(*)(*)(*)

now, name one single Shoah study that claims 6,000,000 Jews were killed.

name one.

i dare ya

 

The number was invented pre-1900 and repeated ad nauseum ever since:


Again, I am just sticking with facts.