European Socialism Works Well Without American Capitalist Interference

Europe was doing well until the effects of the American led world recession from the mortgage crisis trickled into their economys...

The republicans make it appear that European socialism has failed but it was due to American free market corruption which diseased the world economy and ruined some of the markets in Italy and Greece.

A social democracy found in europe is safer than the free market capitalist corruption seen in the USA and it is time for change.

 

Then if I were you I'd start looking for a way to get a visa and immigrate to one of those countries, because Conservatives will destroy the country first before allowing it to become a Social Democracy. We will not live under a European Style Social Democracy and would possibly even make civil war against it.

 

disagree many conservatives are poor in the republican states and have not tasted the sweet nectar of government benefits...

once initiatives such as health care reform start to take effect they will become democrats because everyone can benefit from the redistribution of wealth that socialism offers...

 

Pff.. you're reaching pretty far there.

The unintended consequence of Obamacare is that the Supreme Court will now be forced to completely and totally legally define the limitations of the "Commerce Clause"

What if they define th Commerce Clause in a very narrow and restrictive fashion that prevents further expansion of the Social Democratic State? The two pillars of all Progressive Legal doctrine is based on broad interpretations of both the Commerce Clause and the General Welfare Clause. Eliminate either one, and the entire legal foundation of Progressivism collapses.


The USSC is the most Conservative Institution in American Government, by design. How do you plan on getting around them if things don't go your way?

Many legal experts feel that even if it means the difference between life and death for millions of Americans, the Constitutional precept for Limited Government cannot be circumvented.

 

how do Ibenefit when someone else profits from the fruits of my labor?

 

Oh GOD you are hopeless.

 

The nectar is sour and of poor quality

 

no both the commerce and general welfare clause would have to be eliminated before socialism becomes impossible....

interpretations for law can be made by either one of them if the other falters under a supreme court decision...

by the way the supreme court does have a few socialist friendly judges appointed by President Obama and if he gets re-elected during this decision he will make history with the first progressive supreme court.

 

The survival of our species as technology evolves, depends totally on the cooperation and the social networking in the scientific community of all, people’s of like persuasion. No country can go it alone. We are totally dependent upon each other. The best survival science requires the cooperation of all like nations with like social bonds. The strong individual existence is a thing of the past, both personally and nation wide. Good health and safety requires a cooperative effort based upon a high degree of socialism that many conservatives fear. Embrace it, or we lose.

 

Falling looks a lot like flying until you hit the ground.

 

The free market didnt cause the great recession. Over leveraged fractional reserve banking did.

 

i am loyal to President Trump and agree, forgive me for preaching blasphemy as i served a different master in the past.

 

banking is part of capitalism, the free market is dependent upon the money changers for capital

President Trump is a successful free market capitalist who cannot protect us from debt slavery, but he is trying his best to kick them out of the Church.

 

Banking is part of capitalism, but fractional reserve banking is not necessarily so. Indeed it was the classical liberal/paleo sorts who vehemently opposed its establishment, and progressive types who demanded it.

The problem has entirely orignated with government collusion with big business. That doesnt make it a capitalist problem anymore than the taxi industry colluding with government to create cartels is a capitalist problem.

There is no cure. Our economies are hooked on counterfeit credit like a basehead is hooked on crack. The withdrawals will kill us, the only option is to keep using until death.

Thats a depressing prognosis, but reals > feels.

 

Yeah, we are all looking to help ourselves to you’re money. The your needle’s stuck in the groove, give it a kick.

 

First off, calling what they have in most of Europe socialism is incorrect. The government does not own the means of production of anything. They do attempt to control a lot of things through a series of complex and burdensome regulations just as we do here. They do have a some what more complete welfare state most of which involves price fixing by the government of wages in the health care sector.
2nd high rates of youth 18- 25 unemployment is endemic to Europe.
3rd Greece was already an economic basket case before 2008. Her early retirement age 10 years younger than the US guaranteed it. Please note most of the red of the west is facing the same challenge.

 

And exactly what you're writing here is, why we Europeans laugh at you in the US! If you hear the term "social", you already get stress pimples, because it could be evil socialist ... nice proof that you US conservatives have no idea about the difference between both in the end.

As long as you ultra-conservative Americans don't and won't understand that every state has a social responsibility for its citizens, and that the market economy is part of it ... and that the Stone Age capitalism that you preach has failed as well as communism has and belongs the same way into the garbage bin of history ... you will continue to struggle with social problems that we have solved for a long time, thanks to a social democracy and market economy and health care.

No, it does not go perfectly with us ... nothing is perfect in the world ... but if I make a direct comparison with the US, I'm glad I'm not an American!

And btw ... the US conservative are still destroying the USA ... so not will destroy, they still are on work!

 

A cool statement with what meaning ?

 

FYI, there hasn't been a socialist country in Europe since 1992.

Socialism caused nothing but terror and misery in Europe. How many people starved in Ukraine? Do you recall?


LOOK! This mom lost 115 pounds on the European socialism diet.


Works better than Weight Watchers.

 

Sure, sure....Greece is doing great....

 

Most European countries are a minor percentage socialism. England was once predominately socialistic until Thatcher pulled the country and its industry out of the fire of destruction. Even so most of the nice things Europeans have came from American capitalism.

American free market corruption did not lead to the crises of 2008. But corruption of the free market by Democrats, starting with Carter, then put on steroids by Clinton, then protected by Senate Democrats during Bush43, is what triggered the financial collapse.

 

I fail to see how the downgrading of an economy benefits anybody, other than the politicians put in charge who will take their share off the top.

 

the italian mob takes a piece of profit from every business on their street in exchange for protection and not harming them.

you have to pay unto caesar what is caesar's, but President Trump is a merciful leader of rome who will not be as mean to the free market.

 

This is how the neoliberal order works, with suits.

Corporations give politicians support either through donations or just supporting them loudly, politicians eliminate their competition, form legal cartels and monopolies, erect barriers to market entry, provide direct subsidies, allow them the first grab at the counterfeit cash, etc.

You cant have a subprime mortgage crisis without government.

 

Apparently not, if it only does well until the effects of the American-led world recession trickled into their economies.

Apparently European socialism has indeed failed.