Evidence for The Creator: Entropy

Then surely it behooves atheists to cease and desist from this puerile activity.

 

So says the article from 2009. It's been a pursuit for centuries and has yet to be accomplished and even if it were - would that add to or subtract from the theory of random origins?

 

It will happen, and it would remove the need for a divine creator.

 

I don't have a particular bone to pick with atheists, aside from an equally assiduous devotion in their certainty that there is no <your flavor here of unexplained cause> to those that assert there is <their flavor here of divine cause> . However, attempts to create life in the lab are probably just about as old as attempts to turn piss into gold. You surely are not missing my point that even if it were to succeed, by the very process of achieving it under intelligent design it would logically invalidate the sunlight + 4 billion years of mosh pit molecular banging about = cells theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hennig_Brand

 

The use of some unidentified intelligent designer was postulated on the basis that life could not have originated without that entity's intervention. So if mere mortals can replicate life then that fails, and so does the justification for the intelligent designer. Which fails anyway because of the infinate regression. Who created the Creator?

 

Ah - this is not the point of my argument at all. Nothing about who created the creator constitutes whether or not it seems reasonable to conclude that sunlight and time are the entirety of the necessary and sufficient conditions to create animate material from inanimate material.

My argument here was that even if such an act could be performed under laboratory conditions it would still not conclusively prove that such conditions occurred on Earth - but it would be an amazingly important leap in our knowledge of the origins of life.

 

Cute argument! But, I certainly don't agree.

We do figure out how to do things that do happen naturally.

You would have to guess that the way we do it couldn't happen naturally.

 

Energy is NOT nothing, unlike your imaginary God, energy can be measured.
Since your imaginary God can NOT be measured it IS nothing, and we all know you can't get something from nothing.

 

So energy came from nothing but it always existerd.....I see. You take a premise that requires a greater belief for it to be than just accepting that something greater than your self, has a plan.

 

No, energy always existed and will always exist, it didn't come from nothing and is never going to nothing. It takes NO faith because it was proven by a repeatable experiment by James Prescott Joule. The unit of energy called the joule was named after him for that great accomplishment.
Your NOTHING God created nothing!

 

deists believe that

http://www.tfd.com/deists

de·ism (dzm, d-)
n.
The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

 

the something always existed, just changed with time... if one can say God always existed, no need to make up a God, we can just say 'what is' always existed, just different

 

So James Prescott Joule recreated creation in a test tube. Is he still alive or has he died yet. Surely he can reverse the death process with such understanding to merit your worship.

 

So you refute the idea there is something greater than yourself to which you will not submit. That is fine. Just don't pretend to be "all knowing". You will die, return to dust and be forgotten.

 

same thing will happen to me as you... there is no God, but you're free to believe in one if you choose too

I believe in life after death and reincarnation... just not a God

 

Notice how creationists have to change what is said in order to deceive the gullible.
Joule proved that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, as you well know being a self professed expert on the laws of thermodynamics.

 

And so will YOU!

 

But neither do I fear it or distance myself from it. I put my faith in One Greater than Mr. Joule. Christ has been heard about for centuries all over the world. He has convinced many and many, like yourself have taken the freedom to either reject or even mock.....it is a given. Few have heard of your Messiah, Mr. Joule, who died and returned to dust. He could not recreate what he purported to know.

 

and according to you....it ALWAYS changed for the better. It never made itself extinct which is unlikely given the odds of chance. You see, that is the case for intelligent design. Common sense leaves your theory at the door step.

 

I am going to take your implication and build on it. I suggest you consider. This energy form you say that "always existed", I define as my God. I worship and seek after Him with all my heart. Sure, in some ways I may be in error. I acknowledge I am imperfect. However, I acknowledge and have reverence for Him and what He has provided. Likewise, the energy form that abides in my soul is also eternal. I will stand before this original "Energy Form someday" and He will forgive my imperfection because I acknowledge my wisdom did not emanate from me......it was a "gift from Him". I believe I have a far better chance in entering into that "Higher form of energy" than if I had mocked as you often do.

 

AMEN!

 

Thanks Todd. You understand I know, that sometimes words just come through your soul and you just have to let it out.

 

Energy is NOT a "him" or a her for that matter, it does not "forgive" pr punish, Energy simply IS!

 

Actually many have heard of him, the power strip your computer, monitor, printer etc are connected to is rated in joules. And everyone who knows the slightest thing about thermodynamics knows about him. And anyone can recreate the experiment he used to prove the FLoT, that is what a REPEATABLE experiment means!

 

I appreciate your tenacity, altho' I find it comparable to trying to explain quantum physics to a three year old.
I am no longer surprised when those that claim "science" to defend their argument throw science out completely when it is contrary to their beliefs. There is no amount of evidence that will turn them from their path. I hope you prevail with at least a few of them, I long ago shook the dust from my sandals.
"None so blind as those that won't see"