Evidence for the Holocaust?

The Wannsee records don't say that and further the second is a fake.

 

You have no clue what you're talking about:


Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution
the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East.
Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in
large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the
course of which action doubtless a large portion will be
eliminated by natural causes.

The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly
consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated
accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and
would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival
(see the experience of history.)

In the course of the practical execution of the final
solution, Europe will be combed through from west to east.
Germany proper, including the Protectorate of Bohemia and
Moravia, will have to be handled first due to the housing problem
and additional social and political necessities.

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

You have been shown the testimony of SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann the man who took the minutes of the conference who confirmed them as authentic during his trial under questioning from his defense attorney's Robert Servatius and Dieter Wechtenbruch:in the German.

http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/texts/eichmanns-testimony.pdf

[video=youtube;kPFcMy1oLIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPFcMy1oLIA[/video]

[video=youtube;m3TqRrAK4e0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TqRrAK4e0[/video]

 

I agree. There can be no question of that the nazis intended all jews/roms/etc to be exterminated by one of a menu of methods.

 

How many Jews fled the Nazi sphere of influence?

where did they go?
[MENTION=59357]Troianii[/MENTION]

 

Many crossed Soviet lines.

 

42.

Your question really has nothing to do with what was said. I won't respond to any further posts in which you continue to mischaracterize my statements and ask what are essentially strawmen questions.

 

yeah, maybe a hundred thousand or so.

but they didn't make it passed the Nazi sphere of influence at its height.

 

Challenge to Supporters of the Revisionist Transit Camp Theory
By Roberto Muehlenkamp

According to Revisionist scripture, the places known by history to have been extermination camps were mere transit camps, places where arriving deportees were bathed, had themselves and/or their clothing deloused, were perhaps given a hot meal or drink and then sent onwards to final destinations in the Nazi-occupied territories of the USSR, where they were resettled in camps or ghettos. The numbers that Revisionists claim to have been transited through these camps is enormous. The Korherr Report alone, which Revisionists claim must be understood literally in this respect, mentions 1,274,166 Jews transited to the "Russian East" through "the camps in the General Government" (mainly Bełżec, Sobibór and Treblinka, as we know now from the Höfle telegram) and 145,301 Jews transited to the "Russian East" through "the camps in the Warthegau" (obviously Chełmno/Kulmhof), until the end of 1942. So a total of 1,419,467 persons are supposed to have been transited to the "Russian East" in this period through these camps alone, instead of being gassed at these camps as all known evidence shows them to have been. Some of them would have succumbed to hardship on the journey or at the place of destination, but most would have survived the war and returned to their places of origin or emigrated after the war. Their names would have been carefully recorded (also in order to control them), and there would have been no reason for the Nazis to destroy these records or any other part of the huge paper trail that this gigantic resettlement operation would have created (on the contrary, all this documentation would have been their best safeguard against accusations that they had murdered these people). The deportees would have been seen along the route and at the place of final destination by a great many people, including but not limited to those in charge of transporting and accommodating them and the local population. From such witnesses, but especially from the surviving deportees themselves, there should be thousands upon thousands of accounts narrating their experiences. Having been subject to persecution by the Nazi government, the many surviving deportees, or at least a substantial part of them, would have filed compensation claims with the German Federal Republic after the war. There would be records about their return home or their emigration, and there would be records about their later whereabouts. From all these accounts and documentation, names of deportees transited through Chełmno, Bełżec, Sobibór and Treblinka to the "Russian East" should be all over the place, and it should be a piece of cake to find such names and proof that their bearers were transited through these places.

My challenge is the following:

I, Roberto Muehlenkamp, have at this moment a certain sum on a savings account, the existence of which I can prove and of which I am prepared to pay up to $ 4,000, $ 1,000 for each name, to the first Revisionist(s) who can provide, along with corresponding conclusive evidence, the names of up to 4 Jews who were transited through Chełmno, Bełżec, Sobibór or Treblinka (not necessarily one per camp, can be all four through one camp, two here and two there or any other combination) to the Nazi-occupied territories of the Soviet Union, i.e. the areas of what was then known as the Reichskommissariat Ostland, the Reichskommissariat Ukraine or the Soviet territories under German military administration, in the years 1942 or 1943. By transited I mean that the person in question must have undergone the procedure that Jews are supposed to have undergone according to Revisionist claims: taken to the respective camp, bathed and deloused and perhaps (but not necessarily) given a hot meal or drink there, then shipped to a certain destination in the Nazi-occupied territories of the Soviet Union as defined above, e.g. to Minsk, Riga, Kovno or Kiev.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.se/2011/07/challenge-to-supporters-of-revisionist.html

 

6 char limit

 

It's apparently OK with some posters on the grounds that at least some of the Jews were selected for work/concentration camps as opposed to death camps.

I have yet to figure out why some people have an interest in softening the historical fact of the Holocaust. I guess there are some that are uncomfortable with the survival of Judaism as an independent religion or the insistence on many Jews that hte Jews have a state, the same way most nationalities have a state.

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Eisenhower's pictures?

 

Or maybe they just don't believe accusations without evidence.

Why the story would be exaggerated is not hard to surmise.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=317262&page=71&p=1063651406#post1063651406

 

You know, I've seen them, but I missed the one where he says 2 out of 3 Jews who died from 1933-1945 were shot or put in a gas chamber, 1 out of 3 were literally worked to death, and no one died of natural causes.

2/3 extermined 1/3 worked to death

 

Abject nonsense based on nothing, you can not provide the name and back story of even a single Jew who traveled through the transit camps and resettled in the East because they were not transit camps they were extermination camps, the assertion that Russia before and after the fall of Communism was able to keep these supposedly millions of Jews telling their stories is simply laughable and stretches credulity well beyond rational limits.

Challenge to Supporters of the Revisionist Transit Camp Theory
By Roberto Muehlenkamp

According to Revisionist scripture, the places known by history to have been extermination camps were mere transit camps, places where arriving deportees were bathed, had themselves and/or their clothing deloused, were perhaps given a hot meal or drink and then sent onwards to final destinations in the Nazi-occupied territories of the USSR, where they were resettled in camps or ghettos. The numbers that Revisionists claim to have been transited through these camps is enormous. The Korherr Report alone, which Revisionists claim must be understood literally in this respect, mentions 1,274,166 Jews transited to the "Russian East" through "the camps in the General Government" (mainly Bełżec, Sobibór and Treblinka, as we know now from the Höfle telegram) and 145,301 Jews transited to the "Russian East" through "the camps in the Warthegau" (obviously Chełmno/Kulmhof), until the end of 1942. So a total of 1,419,467 persons are supposed to have been transited to the "Russian East" in this period through these camps alone, instead of being gassed at these camps as all known evidence shows them to have been. Some of them would have succumbed to hardship on the journey or at the place of destination, but most would have survived the war and returned to their places of origin or emigrated after the war. Their names would have been carefully recorded (also in order to control them), and there would have been no reason for the Nazis to destroy these records or any other part of the huge paper trail that this gigantic resettlement operation would have created (on the contrary, all this documentation would have been their best safeguard against accusations that they had murdered these people). The deportees would have been seen along the route and at the place of final destination by a great many people, including but not limited to those in charge of transporting and accommodating them and the local population. From such witnesses, but especially from the surviving deportees themselves, there should be thousands upon thousands of accounts narrating their experiences. Having been subject to persecution by the Nazi government, the many surviving deportees, or at least a substantial part of them, would have filed compensation claims with the German Federal Republic after the war. There would be records about their return home or their emigration, and there would be records about their later whereabouts. From all these accounts and documentation, names of deportees transited through Chełmno, Bełżec, Sobibór and Treblinka to the "Russian East" should be all over the place, and it should be a piece of cake to find such names and proof that their bearers were transited through these places.

My challenge is the following:

I, Roberto Muehlenkamp, have at this moment a certain sum on a savings account, the existence of which I can prove and of which I am prepared to pay up to $ 4,000, $ 1,000 for each name, to the first Revisionist(s) who can provide, along with corresponding conclusive evidence, the names of up to 4 Jews who were transited through Chełmno, Bełżec, Sobibór or Treblinka (not necessarily one per camp, can be all four through one camp, two here and two there or any other combination) to the Nazi-occupied territories of the Soviet Union, i.e. the areas of what was then known as the Reichskommissariat Ostland, the Reichskommissariat Ukraine or the Soviet territories under German military administration, in the years 1942 or 1943. By transited I mean that the person in question must have undergone the procedure that Jews are supposed to have undergone according to Revisionist claims: taken to the respective camp, bathed and deloused and perhaps (but not necessarily) given a hot meal or drink there, then shipped to a certain destination in the Nazi-occupied territories of the Soviet Union as defined above, e.g. to Minsk, Riga, Kovno or Kiev.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.se/2011/07/challenge-to-supporters-of-revisionist.html

 

A) Those who died of "natural" causes were in fact recorded and issued death certificates as already demonstrated through the Red Cross documentation to which you have no rebuttal.

B) Those who died of starvation and selected for forced labor were never going to be allowed to survive, they were intentionally worked to death and of those who survived were to be liquidated when they were no longer needed as proven by the transcripts of the Wansee Conference already presented to you and to which you have no rebuttal.

 

Nearly two decades old, this how-to list is as applicable today as it was the day it was written and it merits repeating in its entirety. You'll recognise some familiar canards, and according to my reading of this thread, the arguments relied upon by some of the more vocal denial proponents.

 

It's unreasonable that the 'truth' of a fraud/hoax/conspiracy on the scale of the one deniers claim has been perpetrated by 'The Jews' for the better part of a century would be known only to a tiny number of non-historians who are, to a man, anti-Semites, fascist propagandists, Nazi apologists or some combination thereof. This, in the face of a veritable avalanche of evidence to the contrary compiled by academic historians, the very basis of whose profession rests on long-established principles of research and authentication of documentary evidence.

That an anti-Semitic agenda, and not a 'quest for the truth', is behind all this denial can be easily demonstrated beyond all doubt. For some twenty years I've searched for a site dedicated to Holocaust 'revisionism' that wasn't contaminated by all manner of random anti-Semitica that had nothing whatever to do with the events of 1933-45. There haven't been any in all that time. Not one.

It's an exculpatory agenda that brings about the pretzel logic deniers twist themselves into and a goodly proportion of them don't believe the half of it themselves. But if only the Nazis could be presented as blameless in the murders of millions of innocents, or, at the very least, if their manifest crimes could be minimized somehow, it would, deniers believe, clear the way for a revival of National Socialist policies in the present day.

That's why we'll never be completely rid of Holocaust denial: without constantly nibbling away at the very edges of the Holocaust narrative as compiled by actual historians in effort to cast doubt, Hitler's ideological grandchildren haven't a ghost of a chance of attracting the kinds numbers they'd require to to give rise to a revival. So they persevere, secure in the knowledge that there will always be a certain segment of the internet world who are predisposed towards anti-Semitism and who can't be bothered to do the reading required to acquaint themselves with the actual facts.

What sort of 'hoax' involves literally millions of people over many decades, including thousands of professional historians and Nazi perpetrators themselves (not one of whom ever recanted their self-implacatory testimony once their sentences were served), a hoax supported by the testimonies of countless survivors, all of whom would have to have been coached to lie within an extremely short period of time over a vast geographical area (by whom?), a hoax supported by thousands of documents all of which would have to have been rapidly forged ad hoc (proof of which would appear to be utterly absent), a hoax whose 'truth' is revealed, coincidentally, to only a tiny contingent of professional Jew-haters and garden-variety anti-Semites who believe their nonsense, virtually none of whom hold any credentials in modern history?

Ask yourself what the odds would be of such a massive hoax being successfully perpetrated for more than seventy years. Would someone complicit in it not have spilled their guts by now, for fame, or fortune or by way of deathbed confession? Surely, Wikileaks would be all over it!

 

I've already shown your that your "proof" is no proof at all. What you've found is that 58k who died AT ONE OF THOUSANDS OF CAMPS died of natural causes. Somehow you've taken that to mean that no one in the other 999 camps did.

I've been done with this for a while. You've presented snapshots of this or that area and never presented any actual proofs. You've tied yourself to numbers your defending like they're your deity that can not be denied. The Way see Conference wasn't rebuffed because I already knew it and took it into consideration, it changes nothing. I can see how it fits into your long least of sad "proofs" though. You're not taking honest analysis - I'm done with you here.

 

A) There were not 999 camps.

B) You must have missed the post where I provided the total registered natural deaths:



C) You have yet to provide a single scrap of evidence that more than 1 million Jews (let alone the majority of holocaust victims) died of starvation or disease, I deal in verified facts not unverified claims.

You have no rebuttal to the Wansee transcripts proving conclusively that even if every single Jewish victim of the holocaust died of starvation it was still murder not incidental casualties of war, because the Nazi regime fully intended for them to die and of those who survived were to be liquidated when they were no longer needed:


Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution
the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East.
Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in
large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the
course of which action doubtless a large portion will be
eliminated by natural causes.

The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly
consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated
accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and
would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival
(see the experience of history.)

In the course of the practical execution of the final
solution, Europe will be combed through from west to east.
Germany proper, including the Protectorate of Bohemia and
Moravia, will have to be handled first due to the housing problem
and additional social and political necessities.

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

 

Good source for total deaths.

Wannsee transcrpts are mistranslated and the second is a fake.

 

Char limit

 

Fact is holocaust deniers are not all that interested in any particular facts that utterly disprove their fanciful umsubstantiated narrative.

It isn't about actual history, its really driven by run of the mill jew hatred coupled with nazi apologism/rehabilitation. this is plain to see in the dearth of real facts/science/history that characterizes their positions.

They are like 'birthers" and every other conspiracy nutter, unable to accept facts, ignorant of actual history and comfortable in their hateful perspective since it does so much for their own self esteem.

Its like the Treblinka "transit camp" crap.
Krege, yet another amateur incompetent, gets his hands on a GPR and goes to treblinka with mottogno to prove that there is no evidence of mass graves. Krege has to read the manual before starting the search because its his first encounter with the technology. After completing this denialist "ground breaking" survey (pun intended) he announces some initial "findings" of course without any evidence and claims he will shortly release a comphrensive paper including all evidence that categorically proves there are not mass graves at treblinka. Five or six years on, even Mottogno has to disassociate himself from Krege because the guy was nothing more than an idiot denier.

Well, many years later an anthorpological archeologist mounts a complete survey of the grounds using trained experienced GPR operators and they find a number of HUGE pits full of human bone and ash.

Then there is leuchters ridiculous report commissioned by Zundel about no evidence of gas chambers. Mr Death even made a video (he was on his honeymoon) of his illegal and serrupticious "investigation" which had the unintended consequence of clearly demonstrates his laughable utter incompetence.

For those who wish to evaluate the depths of denialist intellectual ability and honesty:

[video=youtube;47jeOYLauxw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47jeOYLauxw&list=PL8PmMMJSnKZsPLJdpVVYvkzE lICesmjSx[/video]

 

Please could you quit the personal attacks on those who disagree with you. It's cheap. Just stick to debating the topic. I find it somewhat ironic you claim the opposition is 'not interested in facts' when most of your post is a factless gratuitous personal attack.

Which Treblinka investigation are you talking about?

 

A couple of years ago I encountered a fellow on another forum whose contention was that since there had been no autopsy performed on a gassing victim, gassng 'didn't happen'. So here's the case for gassing as it's understood by virtually every academic historian.

Begin: Demanding an autopsy for murder victims more than seventy years dead is one heck of a goal post moving dodge. Why would an autopsy be a requirement as 'evidence' to ascertain a method of murder anyway? In the U.S. (if that country's legal standards are to be considered the acceptable benchmark in this instance) it's entirely possible to obtain a guilty verdict and a death sentence for murder without even a body-- let alone an autopsy. Additionally, people have been convicted of murder-- and been executed-- on circumstantial evidence alone under that exalted system of jurisprudence.

All manner of evidence exists for homicidal gassing by the Nazi regime, but it's always dismissed out of hand by ideologically-driven deniers because the evidence contradicts the basic premise under which they operate-- that the Nazis didn't commit the crimes of which they're accused. Deniers never present a consolidated, internally consistent, alternative explanation of the convergence of evidence; they just offer knee-jerk denial because it's all they have.

The first Auschwitz trials were held in Poland in 1947, in the cities of Warsaw and Krakow, and involved 40 members of the Auschwitz SS. Rudolf Höss, camp commandant during the relevant time period, and 23 others received death sentences, 6 were sentenced to life, and all but one of the rest received sentences ranging from 3 to 15 years in prison.

Subsequently, over 600 Auschwitz SS were tried in district courts in Krakow, Wadowice, Raciborz, Cieszyn, Sosnowiec, Gliwice, Bytom, and Katowice. 590 were convicted and sentenced, including 8 death sentences and 3 life sentences.

And then, in the early 1960's, in Frankfurt, an additional 22 defendants were tried for their crimes at Auschwitz. What follows is an incomplete list of those Germans who admitted under oath that Jews were gassed in the gas chambers of Auschwitz-Birkenau: Baretzki, Lucas, Kaduk, Stark, Hoffman, Broad, Klehr, Morgan, Kremer, Mulka, Bock, Glaser, Hoess, Hege, Siebald, Wildermuth, Wilks, Wilhelmy, Hocke, Münch Prufer, Sander, Schultze, Stark, Hoeblinger. Also there's the testimony of the manufacturers of Zyklon-B indicating that they knew that they had trained Auschwitz personnel how to use it to commit mass murder. There's also the compelling testimony given by Adolf Eichmann at his Jerusalem trial in 1961 concerning mass gassing at Auschwitz and its relation to the "Final Solution"

If they were all threatened or tortured into self-incriminating testimony, proof is curiously slow in coming. Holocaust 'revisionism' rests on the absurd notion that if torture was even remotely possible, then it most definitely occurred, in all cases.

In addition, we have the testimony and independent depositions of the surviving Sonderkommando who were intimately acquainted with the process of gassing and cremation, men such as: Morris Kesselman, Shlomo Venezia, Daniel Bennahmias, Henryk Mandelbaum, Elizer Eisenschmidt, Filip Müller, Lemke Pliszko, Jehoshua Rosenblum, Stanislaw Jankowski, Shlomo Dragon, and Leon Cohen, who presented evidence at various post-war Auschwitz trials. Then there's the testimony by Auschwitz inmates at the Cracow Auschwitz trial according to whom the aforementioned German, Hans Münch, had refused to participate in the selections of prisoners for the gas chambers, and that he had otherwise done everything possible to prevent people from being gassed.

Of course every single one of these individuals are thought by deniers to have lied, since they were all 'Jews', despite the fact that they weren't all Jews.

The testimonial evidence alone is very powerful evidence, coming as it does from both those who were the perpetrators and those who were forced to participate in some way. In particular, the testimonies of Commandant Höss and Dr. Johann Kremer are very strong. Höss testified as a defense witness for Kaltenbrunner at Nuremberg, at his own trial in Poland and then wrote a memoir which contains two long chapters on the evolution of the gassing program at Auschwitz-Birkenau over the years, an evolution supported by the Auschwitz construction office documents. Kremer's evidence is both documentary and testimonial: his contemporaneous diary, captured after the war, provides many instances of individual gassing actions and this written evidence was corroborated and elaborated on in his post-war testimony. This evidence is widely available on the net.

As for documentary evidence, there are the deportation schedules drawn up in Berlin in Eichmann's Division for Jewish Affairs at the Main Office for Reich Security (RSHA) in Berlin and handed over to the German Railways administration (DR) giving a detailed account of the number of people transported to and from Auschwitz during its time as a concentration/work/POW/death camp. These documents indicate that some 1,500,000 of the people-- most, but not all of them Jews-- transported to Auschwitz were never seen or heard from again. In the camp construction offices, which the fleeing Nazis neglected to destroy with explosives, as they had the Kremas, were found the construction diagrams of gas chambers indicating over-sized air-intake (Belüftung) and air-extraction (Entlüftung) systems, as well as the physical presence of gas-proof doors and windows. There exist blueprints and construction diagrams of the combined gas-chamber/cremation facilities at Auscwhitz-Birkenau indicating last minute changes in architectural details such as a chute for bodies replaced by a revolving stairwell to a clearly labeled subterranean "Vergasungskammer".

Also, there are a small number of documents that escaped the military censor's attention which explicitly mention mass gassings. And then there are the bills from the Degesh company, manufactuers of the HCN compound used for the murders, for Zyklon-B delivered to Auschwitz, calling it "Material for the deportation of Jews". There is an order from Heinrich Himmler in November 1944 ordering that gassings at Auschwitz be stopped and captive Jews be better treated. Diplomatic records clearly indicating that Germany was using the treatment of Jews as a means to influence its allies. The clearest and most abundant evidence of this type concerns Hungary, where diplomatic correspondence indicates that Germany exerted only mild pressure on Hungary to hand over its Jews for extermination as long as Hungary fought on its side as a cobelligerent.

Naturally, deniers blithely dismiss all of these documents as forgeries, because, as we all know, if some document contradicts their belief in the 'hoax' then it most definitely is forged. Just as naturally, they make their claims repeatedly, never offering up a scintilla of evidence, apart from their hopeful, groundless skepticism.

And then there's the physical forensic evidence. There are residual cyanide compounds on the walls and in the ventilation structures of premises last used as gas chambers in late 1944, despite a subsequent history of exposure to the elements. Forensic examinations showing cyanide compounds in the structures concerned were made immediately after the war, by Fred Leuchter in 1987, and by the Cracow Institute for Forensic Research in 1994. All of them indicated a history of the structures in question having been repeatedly exposed to the lethal concentrations of cyanide necessary for the cyantes detected to have formed in such quantities that they were still clearly detectable despite more than 40-50 years of exposure to the elements. Also, there is evidence of large amounts of cremated human remains found in the soil of Auschwitz, when burning pits were made necessary because some of the Kremas had broken down and the ones that remained operational were unable to deal with the quantity of corpses created by the Hungarian deportations of the summer of 1944.

I suppose other elements of evidence relating to a claim of murder in a legal trial, with or without an existing autopsy, would include things like motive, opportunity, character and intent. In this case, the Nazi regime showed that they had the ability to conduct mass gassings and had indicated that it had no moral problems conducting mass gassings-- according to its own official records it gassed 71,000 of its own citizens within the framework of the T-4 euthanasia program between 1939 and 1940. Coincidentally several of the people involved in this program-- Christian Wirth and Franz Stangl and a host of others-- went on to design and command extermination camps in Nazi-occupied Poland. Germany was forced to interrupt the euthanasia program, which had used starvation and lethal injections in addition to mass gassing, by public pressure. This marks the sole instance during Hitler's career as dictator when he was forced to retreat due to public pressure. When the euthanasia program was resumed and expanded, it was done so far more discretely, with orders given orally rather than committed to writing. This type of oral command (Führerbefehl) strategy was also used to make evidence and responsibility for the Holocaust, and thus of mass gassings at Auschwitz and other extermination facilities, more difficult to identify. Hitler had stated publicly and in no uncertain terms that a new war in Europe would mean the extirpation (Ausrottung, Vernichtung) of the Jewish people of Europe. After six months of well-documented public mass shooting of Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe by the Einsatzkommandos, the German authorities convened a conference in Wannsee outside Berlin where the dimensions of the "Final Solution of the Jewish Problem" in Europe were discussed. According to the protocol, more than 11,000,000 Jews remained to be dealt with. They were, according to the evasive bureaucratic language of the document, to be deported and made to work under conditions so severe that a majority of them would perish due to the intolerable conditions. The remainder, it said, would have to be "dealt with accordingly" to prevent the emergence of a new generation of Jews that would take revenge on the next generation of Germans.

Surely there's more than enough evidence presented above to assure a conviction at any American murder trial:

1. Evidence provided by eyewitnesses;
2. Evidence provided by perpetrators;
3. Documentary evidence, including detailed blueprints and construction diagrams of the gas chambers, diplomatic correspondence concerning German exterminational policy towards European Jewry, and orders from Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler to *stop* gassing, an order that would only make sense if gassing had been going on;
4. Forensic evidence taken from the instruments used to commit the crimes indicating that they were used in a manner consistent with other evidence;
5. Evidence of a clearly articulated desire to commit the crime, as well as evidence of the ability and willingness to commit the crime, and evidence of having committed an analogous crime in the past.

In addition to the above, there is clear evidence of concerted efforts to destroy as many traces of the crime as possible, including demolishing the gas chambers and cremating the bodies to destroy evidence of gassing.

This would be far more than is necessary to obtain a guilty verdict in virtually any court of law, autopsy be damned, particularly since no rational alternative explanation would be consistent with the evidence.

 

I am being neither factless nor gratuituous. After a couple of decades of engaging with holocaust deniers, my generalized observations are both valid and demonstrable.

What I find amusing is that you simply regurgitate denialist garbage like the famous "transported to the east" myth without a shred of evidence and argue that treblinka was simply a transit camp, yet you are completely unaware of the continuing archeological research being conducted.

British archaeologist destroys Holocaust deniers' argument with mass grave find at Treblinka

and before you post the usual gang of denialists attempting to refute science here's the shredding of Kues sleazy attempt.


http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.ca/2012/01/thomas-kues-on-recent-archaeological.html

You might want to spend some time on this particular site. It is sure to enlighten you as to the distortions, lies, misrepresentations and spurious garbage that characterize the work of most of these "revisionist scholars".

I notice you completely ignored the visual evidence of Leuchters complete incompetence.