Ex-Playboy Model Karen McDougal Free to Tell Her Trump Story After Settling Lawsuit With American...

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  1. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, cause EVERY lawyer in the country will mortgage their house to silence their client accusers......

    Your really not that naive Blues......
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    No evidence it did Trump wouldn't have to use campaign money at all even if he was party to the actual payoff.
     
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    Well they should be when you are paying for it.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I can't speak for them all. But those would not be campaign funds, no FEC violation and paying her off would not be anyway.

    "But let’s remember a basic principle of such laws: Not everything that might benefit a candidate is a campaign expense.

    Campaign-finance law aims to prevent corruption. For this reason, the FEC has a longstanding ban on “personal use” of campaign funds. Such use would give campaign contributions a material value beyond helping to elect the candidate—the essence of a bribe.

    FEC regulations explain that the campaign cannot pay expenses that would exist “irrespective” of the campaign, even if it might help win election. At the same time, obligations that would not exist “but for” the campaign must be paid from campaign funds.

    If paying hush money is a campaign expense, a candidate would be required to make that payment with campaign funds. How ironic, given that using campaign funds as hush money was one of the articles of impeachment in the Watergate scandal, which gave rise to modern campaign-finance law.

    When the FEC adopted these regulations, it specifically rejected a rule under which campaign contributions could fund an expenditure “related to” a candidacy. The FEC was concerned that would make it too easy for candidates to use campaign funds for personal benefit. Personal debts, for example, are “related to” the campaign—if unpaid, the candidate’s reputation might suffer. A Rolex watch, a new suit, or a haircut might help a candidate look good on the trail.

    If the Trump Organization paid bonuses to employees, it might improve Mr. Trump’s image, helping his re-election prospects. Could those bonuses be paid with campaign funds? Every charitable expenditure made by the Clinton Foundation arguably assisted Hillary’s run for president. Campaign expenditures? The Clintons famously conducted polls on where to vacation. The polls were probably campaign expenses, but how about the trips?

    And how about Stormy? There are many reasons, including personal and commercial ones, why Mr. Trump might want to keep allegations of extramarital affairs out of the press. Ms. Daniels claims that when she first tried to sell her story in 2011, she was threatened by a man in a Las Vegas parking lot: “Leave Trump alone. Forget the story.” If true, it shows that her silence was desired long before Mr. Trump ran. The New Yorker published a story claiming to provide “a detailed look at how Trump and his allies used clandestine hotel-room meetings, payoffs, and complex legal agreements to keep affairs . . . out of the press.” If true, this also suggests a pattern outside the campaign.

    Campaign contributions should not become politicians’ personal slush funds. Many ardent anti-Trumpers sincerely believe that the president is a threat to the rule of law. The real threat to the rule of law, however, comes from abusing laws to “get” a political opponent. Some matters are for voters to decide.


    Mr. Smith is chairman of the Institute for Free Speech, a former chairman of the FEC, and a professor of law at Capital University.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/stormy-weather-for-campaign-finance-laws-1523398987
     
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    That's not for either of us to say... I kept it opened ended and you shut it down with no basis, although I can post several different URL's with the opinion that it was.... The difference between open and closed minds...

    Never said it would be grounds for removal
     
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    The point is you guys try to claim you are the party of family values, high morals, such good Christians and blah, blah, blah. But you back a man who is none of the above.
     
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    Why do you speciously try to equate sexual assault with an affair?
     
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    See above and what exactly is it you want done here then? Embarrass Trump, OK he's embarrassed now, now what?
     
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    As opposed to Democrats being the party against family values and high morals and are bad Christians therefore Clinton got off with sexual assault, sexual harassment and perjury and obstruction of justice?
     
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    In part, but as I posted several times before, it's not the initial act which is the big deal, it's the cover-up. We all know Bill's case. In this case, it's the payment of millions of dollars in hush money by a fixer known to be close to Donald Trump.
     
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    Why don't you see above...
     
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    Democrats have the same they just don't wear it like a jacket. Repubs were the majority at the time.
     
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    What's that supposed to mean you guys are here trying to attack Trump over alleged moral failures some even want him impeached for them. So Democrats are for family values, for high morals and are good Christians? Then why didn't they support the removal of Bill Clinton when his acts even included felonies?
     
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    And you backed a man that got a woman killed at Chappequidic and left her to drown, and it was known and you Dems voted him in for a lifetime. If it were between DT and HC, DT is the clear choice.
     
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    Why did they re-elect drunken Ted Kennedy over and over again?
     
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    Don't believe I ever voted in Massachusetts.
     
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    bill clinton paid dearly
     
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    Won’t know that without an investigation, will we.

    Cohen has been skirting the edge of the law for decades. His partners in a taxi cab business have reportedly been convicted of money laundering. His partners in a casino boat in Miami were convicted of fraud. Russian mafia has been linked to all of it.
     
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    Trump may also.
     
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    The threat thing I don't know. Personally, I don't agree that non-disclosure agreements should be legal. It's just keeping things quiet with bribery the legal way. In the end the ethical and moral landscapes are identical.
     
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    So rather than expect more from Trump, you excuse everything by pointing out he’s no worse than Clinton. Way to raise the swamp bar.

    Not.
     
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    ROFL I never thought of Trump to be the epitome of virtue did you? And Clinton brought his behavior into the White House with federal employees yet you guys were about to put him and his wife back into the White House. Your faux outrage over Trump's previous private affairs as a private citizen is quite laughable. And I have excused nothing, SHAME ON HIM, what he did was WRONG. What these women did was wrong. And even with his flaws he doesn't even come close to Clinton. Why the attempts to lower the bar just because it is Trump?
     
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    I cited from a former FEC commissioner and can cite many legal authorities and it would an FEC violation anyway what's it doing with a special prosecutor or even the US Attorney's office?

    Yea like the Clinton's and the Dems and left never wanted to hold them accountable and we now have high level former and current officials under investigation or under referrals for them.
    What interest is it of us what consensual sexual affairs private citizen Trump had long before he was elected President?
     
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    Why should peoples private matters be public knowledge? I thought the left was all about the right to privacy?
     
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    "may" is the operative word but to whom are you saying he will be paying and why?
     

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