EXCLUSIVE JUSSIE SMOLLETT TELLS COPS ATTACKERS SHOUTED 'MAGA COUNTRY' ... 'EMPIRE' CALLS IN ARMED SE

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Credibility is subjective and based on a whole host of factors. Again, a jury is wholly within its right to convict someone based purely on testimony if they believe the testimony is credible. Even in the absence of corroborating evidence.

    I want to be clear that those situations are extremely rare though because Prosecutors almost always make the decision to not pursue a full length jury trial under such a scenario (the only evidence is the eyewitness testimony). But it is absolutely true that eyewitness testimony is a type of evidence that is routinely used as the sole or primary reason for a conviction.
     
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    I liked the part where he was still wearing a rope around his neck 45 minutes later when the police showed up.

    Oh, and by the way, being an actor doesn't make you any more "prominent" than anyone else.

    No witnesses, no physical injuries after having "liquid bleach poured on him" in subzero temps, no video....nothing.

    There is zero evidence anyone did this other than himself.
     
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    Yes, two white guys wander always wander around Chicago with bleach and a noose at 2:00 a.m. while -30 degrees, just hoping they will run into a gay, black actor.

    Didn't happen that way. He may have gotten mugged, but I question that he was singled out because he was a black gay actor. Random act of violence, just like hundreds of other acts of violence that happen in Chicago every week. They had no way of knowing he was gay and no way of knowing he was an actor.
     
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    He embellished his story, it got printed and now he has his arse in a wringer. Why wouldnt't he tell the police that key element of the story until he was backed into a corner?
     
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    He claims he is, but he shows no familiarity with these basic principles, but, that's not uncommon with mental deterioration we are seeing in the anti-Trumpers.

    Did you see Lawrence Tribe's recent screw-up in his personal attack on Cocaine Mitch?

    He accused Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of trying to shut down the House Intelligence Committee. Key word there: House.

    The Senate majority leader. He has nothing to do with the appointment of members to the House Intel Committee.

    This guy once was reputed to have one of the finest legal minds in the country, on a short list for SCOTUS and now he's ready for the loony bin.

    This guy is a Professor of Constitutional Law at Harvard, has taught at its Law School since 1968 and was voted the best professor by the graduating class of 2000 and he has taken complete leave of his senses.

    We are seeing more and more of this completely irrational behavior among the anti-Trumpers.

    I just want them to stop, and be well and healthy again.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good luck convicting the people they can't find with your imaginary scenario that requires zero evidence, in your opinion.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They don't have the "oh ****" gene that makes people feel embarrassed when they are continually wrong.
     
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    Just try to calm down and focus on something pleasant and wholesome.
     
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    I reported the facts, deal with them.
     
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    You missed a great opportunity for a "you can't handle the truth" meme.
     
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    It would never get to trial, there would be no evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
     
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    We know.

    That's what's so funny.
     
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    It's weird, how many anti-Trumpers have we seen now, go completely off the rails and self-destruct? I have never seen anything like it. Comey at one time looked like a rational upstanding citizen and now the entire nation knows that he is a weird twisted creep, completely deluded and never had the judgement to hold the position he once held.

    You have Mueller, once highly regarded, now reduced to essentially doxxing an old man in a straw hat with a dangerous media coordinated paramilitary Show Raid. That's an incredibly dangerous stunt that shows no common sense at all. How can all these folks all show such terrible judgement?
     
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    Yes, almost the entire political spectrum has learned that Tapper = Very Fake News.
     
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    About @Bluesguy statement.

    Give him time to answer, I'm certain he can speak for himself. And try to calm down, let your good sense re-establish itself.
     
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    It's really sick what you hold out hope for. Release your hate, be healthy again!
     
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    According to some lawyer, the fact that you reported it is PROOF!
     
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    I don't know what to think here. What is credible? The actor dude is a mess. The story is a mess, and the story itself is important because it frames a reality that many folks in the gay community contend with all the time. One only has to remember the events surrounding Matthew Shepard and the horror comes flooding back. It happens. But, did it happen here? There just seem to be too many things that don't add up here, and I hate to not believe the guy, but the idea that somehow two guys covered head to toe because it was like -20F waited on the off chance that they could douse the actor while walking on an unscheduled munchy run just seems unlikely. Crime, like this, is methodic. Folks would want to plan for it. You'd have to be able to be precisely where you would have both the opportunity and the patience to execute it. And here we are, lots of doubt. The chemical, (liquid bleach) that wasn't somehow frozen from having to wait for the victim to appear...
     
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    This has completely fallen apart. You really should retract this. Especially your mad attack on over half of the US Electorate based on a claimed "attack" that is really falling apart under investigation.

    48 hour rule. It's a good rule for good reasons. It will save you doing this, yet again.

    Remember the definition of insanity!
     
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    There is no evidence this ever happened except for Mr. Smullet's claim.
     
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    They'll be back tomorrow with something equally stupid.

    I think they believe if they keep making crap up, eventually reality itself will submit to their imaginations.
     
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    Well first I was no obligation to give him a "theory" about anything. I was stating the facts which he can't deal with. But I did and he has yet to give his "theories" about all the feaxks in the story.
     
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    Keep in mind that there was more to the Matthew Sheppard story that came out later. A horrible crime, but, what didn't get much coverage was Matthew’s drug abuse, and the fact that he knew one of his killers prior to the attack, and that it was rumoured that the killers knew that he had access to a shipment of crystal meth with a street value of $10,000 which they wanted to steal. We may never know the whole story.
     
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    I said that sworn testimony is proof. Allegations are a sufficient reason to investigate.
     
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    Reporting that statement to TMZ, even if it directly contradicted a previous statement delivered to the police (so long as he told the police the truth), would not subject him to any criminal or civil liability.

    Claiming that someone said, "this is MAGA country" is not relevant to the identity of the perpetrators, the location of the crime, or I do not believe that it would be even be relevant to whether their actions are subject to specific types of criminal liability, like a hate crime statute.
     
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