Explosive New Flynn Documents Show FBI Goal Was To ‘Get Him Fired’

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  1. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    Well it was the Obama admin that ordered the investigation reopened...and the Mueller team that hide the Brady evidence for so long.

    I agree it's not a conspiracy at this point. It's all laid out in the DOJ's Motion...in great detail.
     
  2. Bush Lawyer

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    The charges have not been dropped. The DOJ has moved to have them dropped.
     
  3. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The DOJ makes the decision and they did and the judge has nowhere to go except dismiss and he will else the appellate court will overrule him based on the SCOTUS decision last week, a unanimous decision written by Justice Ginsberg. You don't know how our system works or the law you should refrain from saying what should be done. It might work that way in your country but not here.
     
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    As always, you completely ignore what you have been told previously. The Ginsberg decision is easily distinguishable from the circumstances Sullivan is having to deal with. You, and others like to pretend that fatal plea of guilty, that open admission of being guilty of an offence mase to the Court, did not happen. We all know it did and that is no mere minor detail which can lightly be brushed aside. as a minor inconvenience.
     
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    The conspiracy theory is on the post I responded to. And they are arguing that they cannot prove that the lies were material. Which is odd because the judge already ruled that the lies were material.
     
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    The investigation was never closed. How can they order it reopened?
     
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    No it's not and will be applie. Sullivan has not means to further prosecute Flynn and certainly not ethical reason to do so. The DOJ makes prosecutorial decisions, it was THEIR plea bargain. THEY are withdrawing and dropping the case. The judge has NOTHING. He cannot tell the DOJ to reinstate and finish the prosecution.

    And HE SHOULDN'T even if he had the power there was blatant prosecutorial misconduct.
     
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  8. struth

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    That’s not what the FBI said before Obama had his meeting...

    Obama has the power to re- open it
     
  9. Bush Lawyer

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    You just can't bring yourself to address the most relevant issue......Flynn pleaded guilty. That is, notwithstanding whatever naughtiness there was in the investigation, he admitted his guilt, not to the local barber while pissed off his head, but very soberly with his Attorney at his side, to a COURT.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What did they say? Quote it. Why do I always have to ask you to quote when it would be obvious that a quote is warranted?
     
  11. struth

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    I’m sorry I thought you actually read the many links I provided...and keep up with the cases you talk about.

    maybe read the link that takes you to the DOJ memo, that is cited...and the orders from the court I have cited.

    I’m playing catch with my nephew.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I accept your apology, but I do not read the links unless I need to verify that what you're saying is legitimate. Remember that according to forum rules, external links are intended to support a point. Not to make a point for you.

    You're going to have to work harder if your purpose is to make a point. It wasn't as easy as you thought, was it?

    But you did apologize so I'll be waiting for your quote. I'll be sure to check the link to the quote if I doubt that it's legit. But I don't think I'll need to do that. Or will I?
     
  13. struth

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    hahaha i made my point and supported it with the links. I provided the information....i'll take this as a white flag....

    You are a waste of time.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh, that's fine. You can take it as you want. My only hope is that next time you think twice about claiming that somebody said something that you can't quote. And if not the next, the one after that, or the one after... and so on...
     
  15. struth

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    He did say it...sorry you don’t understand how the Court speaks.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sure. Because when a judge makes a ruling, you can claim that every single word said by anybody that argued in favor of that ruling was actually said by the judge.

    I guess it won't be the next time that you won't claim that somebody said something that you can't quote. But we'll keep trying....
     
  17. struth

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    Yes in fact you can...unless the Court says differently in the Order...that's the point of an Order.

    Welcome to the real world.

    I am sorry you don't understand the Judicial system....that's not my fault you aren't educated enough to understand it, but in the future you might not want to talk about cases, when you don't even understand the system.
     
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    Bongino asks: how could Flynn have lied about sanctions, which is the crime he's accused of under the charging papers, if the agents never asked him? According to the 302, the agents never mentioned sanctions.
    At around 33:42..
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Quote a law or criminal process rule that states that when a judge makes a ruling, you can claim that every single word said by anybody that argued in favor of that ruling was actually said by the judge.
     
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    Read his order it is the law
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is a law that states that when a judge makes a ruling, you can claim that every single word said by anybody that argued in favor of that ruling was actually said by the judge....but you won't quote that law?
     
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    Yes, when a judge makes an Order, you follow the words written....try defiling a Court Order and see what happens.

    As an initial matter, “a court speaks through its written orders and judgments, not through its oral pronouncements.” . . .”Thus, to the extent that the trial court’s oral pronouncement varied from the actual order, the order controls.

    Cassidy v Cassidy, 318 Mich App 463, 509; 899 NW2d 65 (2017) , quoting In re Contempt of Henry, 282 Mich App 656, 678; 765 NW2d 44 (2009).
     
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    Ok. I'm done with you. When you say that somebody says something, or that a law says something.... and you can't provide a single quote... last resort is "go find a basis for my baseless arguments yourself!" I've seen it a million times.
     
  25. struth

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    I guess I just am shocked that someone doesn't understand what a Court Order is. Again, I recommended you not, not follow one.

    I provided you with Case Law, pretty recent case law at that, where a Court makes the same quote that the "Court speaks through it's orders..." but...ah...i guess you'll ignore that too

    Here are some more links for you to try and understand:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_order

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/court order


    https://thelawdictionary.org/order/


    Hope that helps....I just thought this was some basic stuff....sorry if it went over your head
     
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