Face masks made ‘little to no difference’ in preventing spread of COVID, scientific review finds

@557 I haven't the slightest clue what your goal is, what your position is and why you seem to be creating needless argument on any of this!

 

That they do. They offer protection (according to their tested specs) from dust, pollen, sand, wood, and other small particulate.

Viruses, however, are too small and will still get through the mask's pores. Such a warning is even put right onto the packaging of the typical paper masks that people wear around.

 

Complete misinformation. I'm getting real pissed at how many people in this sub-forum ignore replies! Aimed at you from page 22:

 

I've seen your replies. They are full of all sorts of misinformation as I've already been through.

 

You chose to post a false claim about masks that is clearly proven to be real misinformation from posts all over this thread. I gave you 2 simple to follow videos and a citation. I listed a few points. If you can't respond properly to them without arm waving, no problem.

 

My goal is for there to be accurate information available to people so they can make good decisions based on EVIDENCE about their own health and public health.

That’s been my goal since about March of 2020 when I started seeing disinformation and misinformation being posted about Covid on PF. I care about people and their health. People can’t be safe and healthy if the information they are exposed to about Covid is not based on evidence.

My position in our recent exchanges is that information you and Ado posted is incorrect.

The CDC and Fauci etal. are responsible for the deaths of many Americans because they recommended against masking when other countries had been helping their citizens acquire N95 equivalent masks for months. Then, between December 2020 and September 2021 they actively engaged in activities to restrict sales of domestically produced NIOSH certified N95 masks to the public and discouraged their use. There were repeated claims (one I posted by Fauci claiming cloth homemade masks were as good as medical grade masks) that it didn’t matter what type mask was worn. This is all disinformation because not only does it conflict with ALL KNOWN evidence, but it was based on the lie there was a shortage of N95 masks after December 2020/January 2021. There were so many unsold masks in manufacturers warehouses those manufacturers were going bankrupt because they had no cash flow. The CDC was denying their ability to sell to US consumers.

This matters. People need to understand they were lied to by public health entities. They need to know that trusting these entities based on appeal to authority can get them killed. They need to understand the real tenets of epidemiology, not the disingenuous ones foisted on them by public health entities.

Correcting disinformation is never needless argument. On matters of science, we must always accept evidence over opinion. Believing unsubstantiated opinions gets people killed. When someone believes a cloth mask is equivalent to an N95 and chooses the cloth mask their odds of dying increase. Their odds of infecting a loved one increase.

If we want real public health we MUST base policy on evidence produced through application of the scientific method. Our public health entities did not do that. We must not SUPPORT entities that outright lied to the American public and intentionally deprived them of a mitigation tool that could have saved many lives. We must expose not only the deceit of the public health entities that did this, but public support of dangerous public health entities as well.

We can’t go around saying masks are effective at mitigation of infectious diseases like Covid and then support entities that were blatantly anti mask throughout the pandemic. It’s illogical as well as active participation in ensuring people directly responsible for deaths of Americans are not held accountable and are free to continue taking the lives of fellow Americans.

Public health policy not based on EVIDENCE is dangerous. People who support policy not based on evidence are a danger to themselves and others. My goal is to educate Americans on principles of epidemiology and the value of evidence based decisions on infectious disease prevention. To accomplish that goal, disinformation must be called out and replaced with information based on EVIDENCE.

 

did this group also say covering your mouth while coughing\sneezing does nothing to reduce spread - so can we can stop teaching our children to cover their mouths?

the reality is, if half the country is having covid parties and such, nothing gonna slow it down

 

I see no evidence of this. You rarely, if at all, challenge conspiracy related junk.

And you are the judge of all that's actually correct and everyone else is wrong huh?

I'm not in the least bit interested in defending any health official. I'm just not keen on conspiracy related crap pertaining to it. The reason behind the decision was based on shortages according to the official line, meaning health workers were to be given priority.

What the hell? Who is doing that?

 

The false claims are yours. You choose to deny mathematics and engineering specs in favor of your religion.

 

First let’s see if your claim has any substance.

So, I could go on, but that’s a nice sample over time on PF. There are many more such posts. So it is not accurate to say I seldom or never address conspiracy theories.

Most people don’t understand what breeds conspiracy theory creation. I’ve addressed that quite often as well. Here is one instance.

Conspiracy theories don’t revolve around institutions that are honest and transparent. I address both the causes of conspiracy theories and the actual conspiracies themselves. That you haven’t noticed while implying I’m a conspiracy theorist (without evidence) is immaterial to the fact I do address conspiracy “junk”.

 

@Betamax101
Continued….too much evidence to fit in one post!

Absolutely not. That’s your strawman.

When the unsubstantiated claim was made the WHO advised trump to ban travel from China long before he did, I provided the PUBLISHED advice on travel bans from the WHO at that time. The WHO recommended (in their cited publications) AGAINST such bans for months AFTER the US implemented theirs. I also supplied dates other developed and undeveloped nations banned travel with China. Only a handful pre-date the US by a couple days. Most took action AFTER the US.

When I point out disinformation I post EVIDENCE it is in error. That evidence in that case was published recommendations from the WHO and official government records on dates bans were imposed around the globe.

When the unsubstantiated claim was made masks were not recommended in the US because we didn’t understand the relevance of presymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission I provided a peer reviewed paper on actions taken by the Japanese government based on observed presymptomatic and asymptomatic transmission in the cruise ship cases. I also provided on the record actions taken by South Korea to help citizens acquire N95 equivalent masks two months before the US even advised mask wearing. I pointed out epidemiologists around the world have the same evidence and Asian countries were making correct policy based on information about presymptomatic and asymptomatic spread while the US was claiming we had no such information.

The opinions you and your bud Ado posted have NO supporting evidence. My corrections contain peer reviewed studies, official published government data, on the record statements by bureaucrats, and official published recommendations from the WHO.

I am not the judge. Veracity of claims, opinions and information is judged by the evidence that exists to support or refute them. I supply evidence. You and Ado do not.

But you are. You stand behind posts of Ado I’ve asked you to read above. They contain disinformation about Fauci and the CDC. You have repeatedly defended posts defending disinformation from Fauci and the CDC. Can you point me to posts of yours criticizing or correcting disinformation from the CDC etal.? I’ve provided examples of posts of mine you didn’t believe existed. Can you show me anywhere you have corrected or criticized disinformation from public health entities?

Yes, and I’ve provided numerous lines of evidence the recommendations based on shortages were disinformation. It was a lie cloth masks were as good as medical grade masks. It was a lie there was a shortage of masks after December 2020. It was a lie when Fauci claimed in July 2020 we had enough PPE in April of 2020.

You and the poster MuchAdo you keep defending and reposting their content.

 

Disinformation = false information deliberately spread to deceive people.

I have never posted disinformation. I never try to deliberately deceive people.

I chose not to answer your question. I do know the answer. I specifically chose not to answer you due to your level of rudeness. Do you work in the health-care field? How did you know decades ago “the most effective way to prevent infecting others with SARS-CoV-2?” SARS-CoV-2 didn’t exist. Are you educated in the science behind infection control and universal precautions? Or do you just make it up as you go along?

Again do you work in the health-care field. If you do, then it’s fairly arrogant to say these things and speak for everybody. Not everybody in the health-care field works in authoritarian conditions. If you don’t work in the health-care field, you have no business making these comments. Do you actually believe that nobody knew anything about infection control and universal precautions prior to the Pandemic? How do you think isolation wards for infectious diseases worked prior to the pandemic? Do you think principles already in practice were halted during the pandemic? What a silly statement. You do like your soap box.

I have never done that, it appears to be disinformation on your part. What a silly untrue comment. I was promoting the use of masks before the Pandemic was officially labeled a pandemic. Why on earth would I support people who actively worked to deny people protection from masks? That’s just some stupid assumption you have made.

The problem is that you believe your evidence which is also an opinion is correct and everybody else is wrong. So you have backed up your points. That’s fine. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your opinions because they are just opinions. We obviously have difference sources of information.

A lot of what you have posted is incorrect. Believe what you want.

You must be talking about Donald Trump. You do know you aren’t going to educate very many Americans on a political forum. Why is it your job to ‘educate’ people? You also should learn the correct definition of disinformation and also learn to review all sources of information not just the ones that match your beliefs. I, for one, really have no use for or care about what you say. It’s sad that your country, under the leadership of Donald Trump lost so many people due to poor choices during the Pandemic. Of course Boris Johnson wasn’t much better. I didn’t depend on government sources during the Pandemic, I didn’t need to.

I can choose when and to who I want to answer on this forum I tend to avoid people who probably get a kick out of putting others down so they can feel superior or have the compulsion to prove everybody wrong. It’s an exercise in futility. Just don’t tell lies about me supporting people who didn’t support mask wearing during the pandemic because it’s absolutely not true. I shall leave you to your many indignant posts. Bye.

 

Sorry, should I have tracked back 3 years before my observation? I don't see anything recent and in almost every post you make, it's pretty much against pro-vaccine posters.

I guess we're all lucky that you do, huh? Conspiracy theorists don't tend to only follow single "theories", they usually immerse themselves in almost every damn one of them. It may start with a general mistrust of authority, but this belief rapidly loses the plot and becomes a ludicrous and impossible, massive number of complicit people in multiple things and all keeping a secret ad infinitum.

Unbelievable hogwash. NASA is the antichrist according to many of them!

Hmm, I'll put that down to a consistently antagonistic rhetoric and you posting only against posters who are not conspiracy theorists...and for quite some time.

But hey, I'm happy to apologize if it annoyed you, I look forward to seeing posts from you real soon, that don't attack only people who you think aren't quite getting YOUR mainstream message. I'm also happy to agree with reasonable and informative posters, though not so much with people who make false claims and faulty generalizations.

Google the word disinformation! Perhaps you mean "misinformation"? Otherwise you are accusing people of deliberately deceiving, which would then be deliberately antagonistic.

 

I’m well aware of the difference between misinformation and disinformation.

Once someone spreads misinformation, it is shown that misinformation is incorrect based on EVIDENCE, and that person repeats the misinformation again, it becomes disinformation.

It’s been years since the information on masks that is untrue came from Fauci and the CDC. That information has been shown to you and others to be incorrect based on evidence. When you still present information that is shown to be false you are spreading disinformation.

Did you not know cloth masks are not equivalent to N95 type masks? If you really didn’t know that your previous posts defending Fauci here are misinformation. If you were aware N95 masks are superior, your defense of Fauci you posted to me before is DISINFORMATION.

I have been responsible for preventing the spread of infectious diseases in populations of about a dozen species since 1997.

Before 1997 I was engaged in formal education in biological sciences. Many of the classes I took in biology and microbiology were designed for pre-med tracks. Most of my classmates are doctors, PA’s, nurses and prosthetists. I will stick my arm up cow’s rectums all day. But I won’t empty a bedpan and don’t like looking at random naked people so went a different route occupationally.

Ended up in animal science and now production agriculture. I’m responsible for the health, nutrition, vaccination schedules, treatment, and sometimes euthanasia for several hundred animals of around a dozen different species including cattle, pigs, camelids, fowl, and dogs.

I select vaccines for these animals based on trial data from manufacturers as well as trials on populations under my care. I design pasture rotations to control transmission of infectious diseases such as e. Coli, coccidiosis, and bacterial and viral pneumonia. I use quarantine routinely. I understand the concept of how disease prevalence differs in open and closed herds. I daily make decisions on whether or not an infection is viral or bacterial so antibiotics are not used inappropriately. I perform amputations. I assist births with all manners of dystocia and even perform C-sections with assistance (I’m not good at suturing). I’m also not skilled at phlebotomy but do administer fluids and drugs intravenously on occasion and draw blood for genetic and disease testing. I vaccinate and target nutrition to amplify passive transfer of antibodies to neonates. (That’s how I knew it was a mistake to deny passive Covid vaccines to cancer patients etc. and advocated for change.) I can manipulate ovulation with hormones in multiple species and artificially inseminate two species. I treat symptoms of infectious diseases like pneumonia. I’ve been administering coronavirus vaccines selectively to certain at risk populations for over 10 years. I do hundreds of other things people involved in human healthcare do daily. Other than that I guess I’m completely clueless.

I know the best way to keep from infecting another person because I’m formally educated, I practice infection control daily in multiple species, and I use logic.

Guess what? None of that really matters because my posts here are based on EVIDENCE, mainly produced through application of the scientific method. I’m not a fan of appeal to authority arguments.

Now, can you answer the question? You have been very rude by your definition. You seem to be able to respond with fallacy to my posts, why can’t you answer a simple question?

Do you know the most effective way to prevent infecting others with SARS-CoV-2?

Have I claimed people didn’t KNOW about infection control prior to the pandemic? No. Quite the opposite. I’ve shown we DID know but that information was ignored. We KNEW masking was effective in March 2020. But we didn’t ACT on that. We KNEW pre and asymptomatic transmission was occurring months before we recommended masking. We KNEW cloth masks didn’t have properties N95 type masks have to prevent transmission. Yet the highest authorities claimed otherwise. We KNEW the overwhelming majority of respiratory diseases spread a-symptomatically and presymptomatically Yet we took actions based on the opposite assumption.

Look. Working in human healthcare is irrelevant. Anyone can find these facts.

Nothing I post is silly. It’s based on evidence. If my posts are silly, it’s silly to base posts on evidence.

No. I don’t post disinformation. What I post is evidence based. You wrote a post to me defending the actions of Dr. Fauci. The man was anti mask during the vast majority of the pandemic. He was the first public anti masker. He actively DENIED widely available N95 masks to people from January 2021 to September 2021 along with the CDC.

I don’t make assumptions. You defended a man shown to be dishonest as well as an active participant in denying masks to the public. I have no idea why you would do that. Anyone with experience in infectious disease prevention would KNOW Fauci was lying in multiple statements he made publicly and in the record. You and others CHOOSE to look the other way. I don’t know why.

Evidence and opinions are not the same thing. It is an opinion that cloth masks are equivalent to N95 masks. The EVIDENCE is all to the contrary of that opinion.

The evidence I supply is not MY EVIDENCE. It’s government records, peer reviewed research, and accepted biological facts.

You have not backed up your opinions I’ve shown incorrect based on evidence. You are certainly encouraged to do so. But the problem is you can’t. They are just unsubstantiated opinions with no supporting evidence.

No, we have the exact same sources of information. My sources are all available to anyone to examine at no cost or inconvenience. You just choose to reject evidence that conflicts with your biases.

I have posted no opinions.

Why not point out specifically what is incorrect and supply evidence that it is incorrect? Saying something is incorrect is not an argument. It’s just your completely unsubstantiated opinion. Those have no place in discussions of science.

Go ahead! Show evidence anything in my posts has been incorrect. Don’t be shy.

No. I’m referring to the CDC and Fauci etal. Trump is too stupid and ignorant to formulate lies like the ones told by Fauci.

Ironically, Fauci and the CDC actively denied N95 masks to the American people under the Biden administration for 8 months. There’s no point trying to shift the blame to presidents.

Many PF members came to me through PM for help during the pandemic. I helped many find N95 masks while the CDC was telling retailers not to market them. I gave out discount codes through PM for N95 masks that were sitting unused and unsold in warehouses while their manufacturers were going bankrupt because the CDC wouldn’t allow sales.

Political Forum isn’t the only place I educate.

I know the definition of disinformation. That’s why I use it as well as the term misinformation in their appropriate places.

I do review all sources of information. That’s why I can post information you are unaware of. I don’t have beliefs. I post evidence based content.

I don’t want anyone to care about what I say. I want people to care about evidence produced through application of the scientific method. I want people to card more about evidence than your unsubstantiated opinions.

Yep. We all get to choose who to respond to. You aren’t trying to put me down to feel superior are you! LOL

You supported in a post to me a man who was vehemently anti mask. That is not a lie. You absolutely support the man who was anti mask throughout the majority of the pandemic and actively DENIED available N95 masks to the American public.

Bye. Again.

 

Well at least there is another poster ready to take up the endless tirade of antivax crap.

 

Why do you so desperately need me to parrot you? Are you unable to refute conspiracy without my assistance? Why should disinformation you post not be addressed? Why should you dictate to others what they should and shouldn’t address on a public forum?

Try thinking about this. Are uninformed random folks on the internet that think vaccines are going to kill everyone more of a threat to public health than bureaucrats with Ph.Ds in official government positions who intentionally withheld N95 masks from citizens for 9 of the worst months of the pandemic?

Who does more harm? Someone who doesn’t believe Covid vaccines are actually vaccines or a government entity that denied the most effective Covid vaccine available at the time to the most at risk demographic for months?

When a prairie fire almost burned one of my farms a couple weeks ago I didn’t spend the time I had to prepare checking batteries in smoke alarms. I started pivot irrigation systems and hooked on the disk.

I prefer to spend time and energy exposing real threats to public health.

So you can not provide any of the evidence I asked you for? I’m shocked.

Well there’s nothing resembling conspiracy in any of my posts. You seem to enjoy engaging with conspiracy theorists. I don’t really. It’s nice you think I should enjoy interacting with conspiracy theorists as much as you do. But I don’t.

I’ll just continue to point out correct information like I have all along and correct incorrect information as I have all along.

I routinely post clear statements about effectiveness of masking and vaccination. You will have to accept that I don’t enjoy engaging flat earthers or people who believe mRNA vaccines will kill all recipients.

Sure. As I said, when there are secretive missions and programs that breeds conspiracy. You think NASA is totally transparent? Hmmm.

Again, you enjoy engaging conspiracy theorists. I don’t. I’ll just continue to provide evidence for everyone and spend most of my energy fighting the battles that matter. I’m more concerned about disinformation from public health entities than from someone who doesn’t know what mRNA is. I’m more concerned about public support of entities that intentionally denied masks to citizens than random conspiracy theorists.

I’m not attacking anyone. I’m correcting disinformation from you and others. You have been shown the information is incorrect. You keep posting it anyway. That makes it disinformation by definition.

You use the term disinformation a lot. I will continue to use it in cases where you and others intentionally post information you have been shown is incorrect.

Any time you feel up to it I’m open to evidence anything I’ve posted on Covid is incorrect. I’m still waiting for the evidence I asked you to provide in my post to you above. Is any forthcoming, or are we going to accept all you have is unsubstantiated opinions?

 

What anti vax crap did that post address? Be specific.

 

Nothing. Was that specific enough? Who said it did? Be specific.

 

I don't, baiting noted.

Non sequitur. You claim to be somebody who does this, it appears you've not done it for a considerable time.

Non sequitur and antagonistic baiting noted. I don't post disinformation and your criteria for determining it is deeply flawed.

Non sequitur. There's no dictating going on. Baiting noted.

The former. The latter did so for documented reasons that you have a different opinion on.

The conspiracy theorists doing so for years.

The former. The latter is false. You are not the judge of what is being "denied"!

Well done. Do I applaud? What irks, is that you think your judgement on the matter is the best course to do so!

Non sequitur. I can, but I'm simply not interested in debating with you.

Hmm, are you trying to goad me here?

You seem to be suggesting that things were withheld deliberately. Sounds awfully like a conspiracy to me.

Personal commentary noted.

Me neither, there, glad to get that out of the way.

Personal commentary noted. Your opinion on what you think I like doing is irrelevant and not needed.

And people will do the same without taking onboard your own opinion as to its validity!

Routinely. Ok, well I'll look forward to the next time you do so, as part of the routine.

Non sequitur. Why should you think I care what you post?

Which ones? Are you in the know about "secret missions"?

Yes, inasmuch as its possible in such a large organization. You think they aren't? Hmmm.

More personal commentary. You keep baiting me with your opinion on what you think I "enjoy".

Should we applaud? So will others despite your opinions

Sounds like a conspiracy again. Good luck.

You've already said as much! I'm more concerned with proper disinformation and misinformation that radically alter public perception on safety!

Wrong word. Engaging with less than pleasant rhetoric would be more accurate.

No you are not! That is deliberately antagonistic again, with your own personal criteria determining what is misinformation and some quarter-baked connection that suggests YOUR opinion is the only one and therefore anyone who disputes it, ie. "not corrected by you" is deemed to be then deliberately passing on the information to deceive.

False! I have been shown why YOU think it's incorrect!

Show me some examples of your claim!

And repeating what you just said.
That is deliberately antagonistic again, with your own personal criteria determining what is misinformation and some quarter-baked connection that suggests YOUR opinion is the only one and therefore anyone who disputes it, ie. "not corrected by you" is deemed to be then deliberately passing on the information to deceive.

False, back that claim up! I use the word misinformation a lot.

That is deliberately antagonistic again, with your own personal criteria determining what is misinformation and some quarter-baked connection that suggests YOUR opinion is the only one and therefore anyone who disputes it, ie. "not corrected by you" is deemed to be then deliberately passing on the information to deceive.

I don't "feel up to" engaging with you. I don't "enjoy" it. You seem to be goading me into responding to your opinions. Myself, @MuchAdo and others have expressed very similar evidence and you seem to think your view on it is some finality.

Carry on waiting - evidence has been given many times, your refusal to accept it and your insistence that your own take is more accurate is irrelevant to me.

False dichotomy. You aren't a "we". Your opinion on what is substantiated is irrelevant to me and your goading (yet again) in the same post is noted.

 

Just more fallacy and no evidence to support your opinions.

I’ll address a few of your fallacies.

I have not posted any opinions. Every post has been distribution of EVIDENCE. Evidence you are unable to refute.

You used the word “attack” in reference to me. Here’s the chronology.

You continue to post pure fallacy and disingenuous content. You are contradicting yourself at this point because you are out of intellectual arguments.

On NASA. You tell me what was on the December 2, 1992 shuttle launch. Or the complete payload of the April 28, 1991 launch. To be clear, I’m not saying there is a conspiracy. I’m saying NASA is not transparent. They can’t be in some cases. But that is EXACTLY what breeds conspiracy theories. I’m sorry you were unaware of the secretive nature of much of NASA operations. Now you know. If you continue to claim NASA is transparent you will be posting disinformation. Because you now know better, but post incorrect information anyway.

You nor your buds have posted ANY evidence any of my posts are in error. You are encouraged to do some research and make an attempt at doing so. Until you do, you are just posting fallacies. Go ahead. It’s amusing to watch you and Ado claim I’m wrong without evidence while rejecting peer reviewed studies and government records that conflict with your opinions.

Have fun wrangling conspiracy theorists. I’ll continue to refute your opinions and Ado’s opinions with EVIDENCE because you unwaveringly support anti maskers.

 

So why post something that has nothing to do with anti vax crap and then comment that the writer is willing to take on anti vax crap?

There is no logic in your posts. No evidence to support your opinions.

SMH.

 

Well at least there is another poster ready to to bungee jump from the Golden Gate Bridge with a tomato in their left hand.

 

I didn't.

I'm fairly sure @MuchAdo knows what I'm talking about. It's not my problem if you don't.

That's repetitious noise. Good luck with your conspiracy theories about masks and vaccines being deliberately withheld.

A classified military satellite. The secret is the US government's not NASA, the method of its deployment! Transparency means you know about the damn thing.

Mission Highlights
A classified Department of Defense primary payload, plus two unclassified secondary payloads and nine unclassified middeck experiments.

Secondary payloads contained in or attached to Get Away Special (GAS) hardware in the cargo bay included the Orbital Debris Radar Calibration Spheres (ODERACS), and the combined Shuttle Glow Experiment/Cryogenic Heat Pipe Experiment (GCP).
STS-53 - NASA
Middeck experiments included Microcapsules in Space (MIS-l); Space Tissue Loss (STL); Visual Function Tester (VFT-2); Cosmic Radiation Effects and Activation Monitor (CREAM); Radiation Monitoring Equipment (RME-III); Fluid Acquisition and Resupply Experiment (FARE); Hand-held, Earth-oriented, Real-time, Cooperative, User-friendly, Location-targeting and Environmental System (HERCULES); Battlefield Laser Acquisition Sensor Test (BLAST); and the Cloud Logic to Optimize Use of Defense Systems (CLOUDS).

 

You did.

Did someone say something was “your problem”?

What conspiracy theory? I provided all the evidence the CDC withheld masks from the public. I’m sorry if you didn’t read it. It consisted of NYT articles with on the record statements from mask manufacturers. It consisted of published CDC advice against N95 use by the public. It consisted of on the record statements by Dr. Fauci.

If you are interested I can lay out the facts on withholding vaccination as well. It’s no conspiracy theory. It’s documentable fact. What is your current level of knowledge of Covid vaccines? Do you know which one had the best data on prevention of infection in phase three trials? Hint. It’s not currently being used, but was for a short period of time. It was used as a treatment under EUA during the time it was denied use as a vaccine.

Holy cow. You don’t know NASA is a GOVERNMENT AGENCY. It IS PART OF THE US GOVERNMENT! Next you will tell me the CDC isn’t part of the US government! Unbelievable. Secrecy leads to conspiracy theories. Whether you like it or not. And even if you aren’t aware NASA is the US government same as DOD or CDC or EPA.

SMH.

 

I didn't.

No. You said you didn't understand. That is YOUR problem. Try to keep up.

Press release has given the reason for it. You dispute this and therefore it now becomes a conspiracy.

Your apology is a non sequitur. I read it and replied to it!

Sounds like a great conspiracy to get your teeth into!

Nope.

I am aware of this stunning "fact".

No, another of your long line of non sequitur statements.

What is? Your non sequitur?

Not when it is a classified military satellite. But the whole thing is that they had NO NEED to even tell people what they were deploying! It's not as though anyone would see the satellite was classified. They were completely open about it!