So you can't actually define what you mean by a soul. And you don't offend by your belief in the supernatural. Believing in something for which there is zero evidence is certainly your perogative just as believing in facts and evidence is mine and the obvious choice of other rational people.
Sure I can: It's the non-physical, non-psychological part of every living thing in the Natural Universe. Why haven't you heard about this before? It's also my prerogative to disagree with those who believe humans are all ambulatory meat computers who only respond to biochemical programming. You are free to believe we are.
Why not? There isn't one. Do you understand the meaning of "supernatural"? Ever look it up? Here, let me help you understand: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supernatural Definition of Supernatural 1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe
That of course makes no sense unless of course you want to explain what is meant by " order of existance" of course here is the actual definition from Merriam - Webster without of course your rather intellectually impeachable truncation. supernatural adjective su·per·nat·u·ral | \ ˌsü-pər-ˈna-chə-rəl , -ˈnach-rəl \ Definition of Supernatural 1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil 2a: departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature b: attributed to an invisible agent (such as a ghost or spirit)
LOL Duuuude. I quote and link MW then you claim it doesn't make sense followed by regurgitating the same link? ROFL WTF!
Nope just showed what you conveniently left out of the definition. At least try to be honest and not try to bastardize the definition to include a soul. Here is the definition of soul from the same dictionary: soul noun \ ˈsōl \ Definition of Soul (Entry 1 of 2) 1: the immaterial essence, animating principle, or actuating cause of an individual life 2a: the spiritual principle embodied in human beings, all rational and spiritual beings, or the universe bcapitalized, Christian Science : GOD sense 1b 3: a person's total self 4a: an active or essential part b: a moving spirit : LEADER 5a: the moral and emotional nature of human beings b: the quality that arouses emotion and sentiment c: spiritual or moral force : FERVOR
You asked me for a definition of soul. I gave you the one from MW and one I agree upon. Now you complain about it. Fine. Enjoy your biochemical programming, human machine self-named CourtJester.
but they do believe, they are big time believers! they just dont admit it! met·a·phys·ics ˌmedəˈfiziks/ noun noun: metaphysics the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, substance, cause, identity, time, and space. abstract theory or talk with no basis in reality. dont forget they relabel and repackage everything for sale under the auspices of secularism
For some I agree. They claim to be atheists the same way they claim Buddhists are atheists, but that's not what an atheist believes. They are either pantheists, panentheists (I lean that direction) or some other spiritual belief that means humans have more than just a physical existence. Most are, IMO, anti-religion, not anti-spirituality....which also doesn't make them atheists.
IMO, most of the 'anti religion!' crowd are just religious bigots. That is as old as humanity, and is the one vice that is always politically correct, as long as it is directed toward the right religion. And that, of course, is Christianity. Atheism is obviously a religio/philosophical belief, and the militant atheists are no more than dogmatic proselytizers for their religion, while bashing the opposition. Science is hijacked, by the bigots, in an attempt to take an Intellectual high road.. but the obvious fact is that science has no validation or verification for the beliefs of atheistic naturalism. There are no proofs or evidence for their beliefs, and their faith is based on other factors, not scientific methodology.
All of these are beliefs.. matters of faith, concluded from social, Indoctrinational, familial, or other non empirical processes. True science is empirical, and has no evidence for or against any of these religious opinions.
Agreed. Yes, they hijack science and wear it as a mask, but in reality they are exactly as you stated: religious bigots bashing the opposition of their own religious beliefs.
No you didn't you posted a definition of supernatural. And at that you basically intellectually sinned by truncating the definition so as to missrepresent what the Merriam -Webster definition actually said. Sorry to have to point put you transgressions but maybe you should just practice being honest.
Pretending that intellectual persuits are somehow represented in the physical world is stupid even beyond your normal foolishness. Unless of course you are admitting the supernatural only exists in the abstract in which case we can all agree.
LOL Nice goal post moving! Spin it however you like. The fact remains atheists believe we're all meat computers responding to biochemical programming. If any of them believe there is more to human beings, call it a soul, then they aren't atheists. Have a really nice life. It's all you got, isn't it? In a few short years you'll be dead and a few short years after that, nobody will know your name, what you did or give a crap about you.
Actually, atheists don't believe in a god or gods. That's all. They can believe in souls, ghosts, magic, even resurrections, but if they don't believe in a god they are atheists.
sure it exists in the supernatural and operates on the natural. you seem to think there is complete discontinuity where discontinuity is impossible to exist.
Since there is no supernatural in the real world the discontinuity should be obvious even to you. Now in the world of philosophy which is the only place the supernatural actual occurs the discontinuity is less obvious. But if you have any actual evidence of the supernatural in the physical world we would all be interested in seeing it.
So you are so afraid of becoming unknown that you have to grasp at an imaginary afterlife. That is pathetic. My advice is live in the real word and try to do something significant instead of just hoping the afterlife is going to compensate for your insignificance in this one. And of course if you had any education you would understand the number of neural connection in a human brain and understand how they are created and why that results in every individual being unique.
Hence my earlier point; they aren't really atheists; they are just believers in different religions. An atheist doesn't believe in the supernatural or souls. They think "when you're dead, you're dead" and that all people are just soulless meat computers responding to biochemical programming. Example:
Not at all. What is to be afraid of? I will return to what I was before I was born. Death is a blessing; relief from pain and suffering. Why does it make you so angry to have it pointed out that you and I are nothing more than soulless ambulatory meat computers who only respond to biochemical programming? I do have an education. Why are you resorting to insults? What are you afraid of? Are you so afraid of recognizing that you are just a biological machine of no more value than any other biological machine and one of a relatively short duration? Your lifespan is less than a 100 years. A 100 years from now no one will know about much less care about you or me. Nothing you've done will matter. You'll be dead and forgotten. Why are you so afraid to recognize this truth?
Neither possibility is very comforting.. we either cease all consciousness, and return to nothingness, like before we were born, or we move to another state of being in a spiritual realm. In this speculative dimension, time, matter, and consciousness will be different, by definition, and the material rules do not apply. There, we will face our Creator, and may have to account for our actions, words, and even thoughts. Both of these beliefs are matters of faith. We do not have enough information to make a definitive conclusion about what happens when we die, or how we got here, or any existential philosophical Question. There is too much historical and testimonial evidence to categorically dismiss all beliefs in the supernatural. Some do, i know, but they limit the universe (and their own perceptions) to the material.. the natural and mundane.. and they close their spiritual perceptors to possibility. It is a close minded philosophy, that will not consider the abstract, or ponder this strange ability that humans have of existential angst. Open wonder and awe, should be the default attitude of the human as they consider their existence, not dogmatic assurance in some indoctrinated beliefs or theories of others. But unfortunately, too many plug their ears, and blind their eyes to the Infinite Majesty of the universe, and parrot platitudes or bumper sticker slogans, rather than dig into the infinite recesses of their soul.
