FBI: Armed Citizens Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.

That's a real twist on logic.

 

In the Everytown For Gun Safety it does, they need to pump up the numbers to kame their point, in the same manner they include people up to the age of 27 as children killed with guns.

Adding those teenaged and older gangbangers helps to support their narrative.

 

And active shooters have happened worldwide, even in places of strict gun control.

In a free society the people have a right to defend themselves.

 

So, you're going to cite Everytown, eh? I'm citing the FBI, and you cite a political activism group with an agenda?

The Aurora Colorado shooter purposefully bypassed 4 other theatres closer to his home than the theater he ended up attacking.... and the theater he attacked was the only one with a "gun free zone" sign on it.

 

Your accusations are groundless and without merit.

 

You don't get to erase the importance of certain lives because their loss is inconvenient for your agenda. All lives matter.

 

So the gun apologists at concealedcarry.com are more credible??? Everytown used FBI data too and their analysis was much more thorough:

"Everytown defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people, not including the shooter, are killed with a firearm. The threshold of four fatalities—which is used by the majority of academics and organizations studying mass violence—is derived from a definition of mass murder used in a 2005 FBI report.2 Unless specifically noted, the casualty figures discussed below include only victims and not perpetrators who were also killed or injured.

"To identify the 156 mass shootings included in this analysis, Everytown pulled information from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Report and from media reports. Everytown then requested police and court records for each shooting. Researchers received official records for 76 shootings. If police or court records were unavailable, Everytown used media reports that were deemed reliable for additional case information."
https://everytownresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Analysis_of_Mass_Shooting_062117.pdf

 

You are proven wrong many times each day. There are many shootings every day. The gun death and injury rate in United States is very high compared to other developed nations where guns are more restricted. But you continue to support the lax gun laws which result in so much tragedy.

 

You continue to support either unconstitutional or ineffective laws that would have no measurable difference on gin deaths.

 

Your post is dishonest. There are plenty of places where gun ownership is widespread and there is a high level of public safety; we see it right here in the United States, depending upon what state you choose to evaluate.

But, all of the nonsense you and others post is all a smoke screen. In the end, we live in a society ostensibly based on personal freedom and political liberty... and too few choose to accept the responsibilities inherent to being a citizen of such a society. Instead, they are pushed by the likes of you to surrender their freedoms and liberties so they might live in a society that absolves them of any responsibility... and enables them to live as the meek sheep they prefer to be.

 

No claim that the lives lost do not matter was made. It was merely stated that the incidents in question do not count as qualifying as mass shootings.

 

Irrelevant. The findings of the FBI supersede all other sources in terms of importance and being verifiable, including those that claim to reference FBI data.

 

an example :
Alabama McDonald's gunman killed by armed dad, who is injured in shootout
https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-mcdonalds-gunman-killed-by-armed-dad-who-is-injured-in-shootout

 

That father is a hero who has performed a great service for his family and his community.

 

This happens a lot but is often ignored by the MSM.

https://www.nraila.org/search?q=armed citizen

 

Guns are good. The MSM and advocates try to cover up that rather obvious fact of life.

 

Thanks to a recent FBI report, we have more data on 2016-17. The FBI found 50 shootings throughout the U.S. that it labeled "active shooter incidents"—"one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area." Of those, four involved situations where the FBI believes that "citizens possessing valid firearms permits successfully stopped the shooter." (Four others involved "unarmed citizens [who] confronted or persuaded the shooter to end the shooting.")

On September 28, 2016, at 1:45 p.m., Jesse Dewitt Osborne, 14, armed with a handgun, allegedly began shooting at the Townville Elementary School playground in Townville, South Carolina. Prior to the shooting, the shooter, a former student, killed his father at their home. Two people were killed, including one student; three were wounded, one teacher and two students. A volunteer firefighter, who possessed a valid firearms permit, restrained the shooter until law enforcement officers arrived and apprehended him. [UPDATE: A commenter points out that the firefighter apparently restrained the shooter after the shooter's only gun had already jammed, though the firefighter apparently hadn't know when he went looking for the shooter; the FBI report did not note this.]

On September 24, 2017, at 11:15 a.m., Emanuel Kidega Samson, 25, armed with two handguns, allegedly began shooting in the parking lot of the Burnette Chapel Church of Christ in Antioch, Tennessee. After killing one person, the shooter entered the church and shot six people. A citizen who attempted to subdue the shooter was pistol-whipped. During the altercation, the shooter accidently shot himself. While the shooter was preoccupied, the citizen, who possessed a valid firearms permit, retrieved a handgun from his car and held the shooter at gunpoint until law enforcement arrived. One person was killed; seven were wounded. The shooter was apprehended by law enforcement.

On November 5, 2017, at 11:20 a.m., Devin Patrick Kelley, 26, armed with a rifle, exited his vehicle and began shooting outside the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. He then entered the church and continued shooting at members of the congregation. The shooter exited the church and was confronted by a citizen who possessed a valid firearms permit. The citizen shot the shooter twice, causing the shooter to drop his rifle and flee the scene in his vehicle. The armed citizen, together with the owner of a pickup truck, pursued the shooter. The chase ended when the shooter's vehicle struck a road sign and overturned. Twenty-six people were killed; 20 were wounded. The shooter committed suicide with a handgun he had in his vehicle before police arrived.

On November 17, 2017, at 4:30 p.m., Robert Lorenzo Bailey, Jr., 28, armed with a handgun, allegedly began shooting in the parking lot of Schlenker Automotive in Rockledge, Florida. The manager of the auto repair shop and an employee, both possessing valid firearms permits, exchanged gunfire with the shooter. One person was killed; one was wounded. The shooter, shot twice during the exchange, was held at gunpoint by the manager until law enforcement arrived and took him into custody.

In one more incident, "a citizen possessing a valid firearms permit exchanged gunfire with the shooter,causing the shooter to flee to another scene and continue shooting."

On October 23, 2017, at 11:23 a.m., Alan Ashmore, 61, armed with a shotgun and a handgun, allegedly began firing into several homes and a vehicle in Clearlake Oaks, California, killing two people, including his father, and wounding one. Another person was wounded while fleeing out of a residence window. The shooter then shot and wounded a responding law enforcement officer before fleeing in his vehicle. The shooter drove to a nearby gas station and exchanged gunfire with the vendor, who possessed a valid firearms permit. The shooter fled the scene in his vehicle and drove to another gas station where he fired more shots. The shooter then drove to a nearby winery and shot at some employees before surrendering to law enforcement officers after a short vehicle pursuit. The entire incident lasted about 30 minutes. Two people were killed; three were wounded (including one law enforcement officer and one person who sustained injuries incidental to the incident). The shooter was apprehended by law enforcement.

 

The PROBLEM is that the western nations have raised two generations of claw-less, tooth-less, vainglorious victims who deny the reality of evil and the fact that it is their responsibility to protect themselves.

I see them like the guy that chooses to go swimming in a school of sharks..the sharks cannot be expected to do anything but be sharks...and the swimmer should know better.

Its 2018 people...you are on your own, wake up, load up, and next time the bad guy shows up, shoot him in the face.

 

My kind of Armed Citizen:

 

So, you prefer victims of crime be left unable to effectively resist violent assault. Got it.

 

Real good, my mother got murdered in a Winn-Dixie parking lot for basically doing that.

 

I'm sorry to hear that Well Bonded.


I use a cane to get around:

 

Tell that to my mom.

 

Young violent felons Vs. the elderly that need a cane to walk. No contest.

 

Another tragic and preventable loss.
Thousands of families suffer devastating losses at the hands of violent felons every year thanks to a broken criminal justice system and the disarming of millions of law abiding citizens.