FBI: More People Killed with Hammers, Clubs Each Year Than Rifles

I'll say it again, the democracies of Europe are, according to the Right, far deeper into socialist policies yet they don't have nearly the gun problem over-all or per capita that we do in the U.S.

Then you reroute the point to blame decay in America on blacks.

So am I to understand that you think socialism will work as long as black people aren't in the equasion? And if not would you care to explain why the whole of Europe, Canada, Australia, and Japan don't have the incredible gun violence problem we have?

 

Rifles? Just rifles? This is hardly all that astounding.

Try throwing handguns into the mix and see what happens.

 

Exactly! Using the term "rifle" is just a spin to fool imbeciles who automatically assume that this skewed statistics is based on all firearms death!

 

Yiikes-----------------we should have FBI background checks on carpenters, baseball players, and golfers!!!!!!

 

It is rather dishonest...

 

Except that gun owners are many times more likely to hurt themselves, someone in their family or innocent acquaintances, or to commit suicide with their gun than they are to use that gun against a criminal.

Ad, most of the "crimes" that are stopped by someone owning a gun are mere "attempted burglaries" which, without the gun, may cost a few hundres dollars in material possessions, but with the gun COSTS LIVES, and not always the life of the "bad guy!"

 

Bans don't work. You should know that. The Sandy Hook shooter was forbidden to bring a gun onto school property by law.

 

Now that's crazy DG! How could he ever have gotten it in if it was banned? Banned thing don't happen - got it?

 

Ayuh,.... I guess upChuck is listenin' to ya Don,...

 

Yes, the more people the more violent crime. That does not mean that CCW permits do not deter crime. It's a bad inference. Stop making it.

Who said the DP is unconstitutional? You? That's an absurd idea. Stop using it.


You misunderstand my point. A society in moral decay is far more likely to use guns on each other.

 

Again, the Sandy Hook shooter murdered his mother, stole her car and guns, and violated countless laws as he killed children. Gun laws failed.

But, there is little talk on the Left about mental health reform and censoring violence in the media. Why? Why ignore the other factors?

 

You're right.. It's not like people ever have contraband, right?

There's hundreds of millions of guns in the country.. They won't just disappear.. Not everyone. Not everyone will exchange them for toys.

Their distribution would likely change however, at least I think.. They would move away from the law abiding and into the hands of gang bangers, bank robbers etc.

 

Yes, and in the big picture it's the culture. There is no doubt that the media and entertainment industry greatly influence the culture.

 

Sure, people can be influenced by entertainment, but, you can't blame music, movies, etc. for people's actions any more than you can blame the guns they use...

People will do what they will do, regardless of what they watch, what they listen to, or any of that...

 

Apparently you never heard of Tipper Gore.

And mental health costs money. Lots of it, you don't think the conservatives with want to tackle health problems if society has to help pay for it do you?

Oh...and apparently murder laws failed, shall we rescind those laws too?

 

America isn't Europe. We have a large minority population of African-Americans originally put here by Europeans and we have allowed Mexicans and other non-Europeans to immigrate here legally and illegally. When you remove their murder stats from the non-Hispanic white murder rates, the US murder rate is in the European ball park.

But, our culture affects our society and even Europe's. Our gang/rap culture has spread to the UK, and they have really problems with violent, gun-using black gangs.

I think you are confusing socialism with an over-all liberal social order. I consider progressive philosophy to largely be a two part proposition. They are socially secular humanists. Man is inherently good, there is no God, Man is his own god, morality is what we want it to be today, ect. Economically, they are democratic socialists.

 

Progressives are up in arms about assault "rifles". They were not discussing handgun violence in Chicago at all? Why?

 

And, you have no way of telling us that a murderer wouldn't use another means had a gun not been available. So, your point is worthless. People

commit suicide with cars, and cars kill way more people than guns year in and year out.

I'll need to see your statistics for that.

 

Typical Leftist thug.

 

We had an assault weapons ban. It did not stop Columbine. Gun laws are a liberal safety blanket. They do not want to face the truth that their pseudo-religion of secular humanism has led to social decay.

Do you think they will ever admit that humans are better off with less violence and sex in the entertainment media?

 

I disagree, and I'll tell you why. Can we say that a movie or video game made someone do it? No. But, can we say that a movie or game influenced a disturbed person to commit a horrible act? Yes.

We have a right to control influences upon our children and culture. The CO theater shooter and the Belgian baby-slasher both dressed as the Joker character after the second Batman movie. The common denominator was not the weapon. It was the movie influence. If something needs to be controlled, it's violence in media and music.

 

Yes, I've heard of Tipper Gore. How did the liberal establishment treat her?

The same mentally ill people get all sorts of benefits from the gov't. Better to pool it into hospitals with locks on the door. You dig?

No, but I don't expect them to stop a person determined to break them. Laws set limits on behavior and are needed as part of a justice system's reaction to a crime. But, I never expect a piece of paper to stop a human being.

 

Funny how you can see so clearly the impact of inanimate objects such as games and videos, but you still reject the impact of possessing an inanimate object such as a killing tool!

 

Well, it's pretty simple: in countries with fewer guns, and even in countries (like Switzerland) with a relatively high number of guns per capita, but with STRICT regulations over those guns, the number of "other " homicides is NEVER any higher than our number of "other homicides, and the total number of homicides is never higher than less than HALF our homicides by 100,000 people.

Sound pretty straighht forward to me!

 

Movies, games, and music are forms of human communication of ideas.