Fellow liberals, know this: what you think you believe, is not what you believe

We have all seen this: our friends on the right start a discussion telling us what we believe. The conversation goes something like this

Right-winger: "You believe X"
Liberal: "I don't believe X. I believe Y"
Right-winger: "No. You believe X"
Liberal: "Please show a quote leading you to say I believe X"
Right-winger: "All liberals believe X"
Liberal: "Well, then show a quote from any liberal supporting X"
Right-winger: "You are in denial"​

How do they know what we believe better than we ourselves know? What gives them this "magical" power? Well... if you have ever heard Hannity or any of those wingnut media pseudo-journalists, you will notice that all they do is tell their audience what liberals believe. If you ever do, you will find yourself sitting there saying to yourself "I don't believe that". But they go on for hours giving their gullible audience these "great" arguments against some made up "liberal position". Right-wingers can't wait to come to a forum like this to use them because they think it will make them look "intelligent". They desperately look for somebody on the left actually expressing what they were told we believe. They, of course, can't find anybody. But they can't let all those great talking points go to waste.

So they open a thread and tell us what we believe. Never mind that we tell them again and again that we don't. They have this great script already set up for them, and nothing is going to run it! Least of all... reality.

 

So, libs actually want a border wall, don't believe in sanctuary cities, want to deport illegals, want flat fair taxes regardless of income level and don't believe in social justice or that more government is the answer.

Who knew..

 

I don't believe in sanctuary cities, I don't want a border wall because I think it's easily defeated, not because I want open borders, I want to deport illegals when apprehended (dreamers should be given consideration, however) and I think smarter, leaner government is a good thing (though we might disagree on where to make cuts) ... so yes, if you consider me "liberal" then I don't fit in your moronic little box.

 

So you are 100% in support of rounding up illegals that have successfully made it past the Border Patrol and have been living in all parts of the country for years? In other words, you are in support of deporting over 20 million illegals?

 

Both the Heritage Foundation and FOX news were created with the express purpose of misrepresenting liberals and the Democratic Party. The idea, all along, was that if they trash talked Democrats enough, and people began to play along, that it would diminish the popularity of the Democratic Party and Democratic ideas.

There is a reason that the only people who deny global warming, regularly get their information from right wing rhetoric.

The results have been as expected. They have also been led to believe that Trump has been doing a great job, and all the world loves him,except for a few malcontent leftists.

 

I just can't put my finger on it, and I know we are supposed to pretend that the Republican Party isn't a racist organization, but there is just something about the way conservatives talk, the subjects they bring up, that keeps giving me the impression that racial discrimination oozes out of the conservative soul.

 

More like this:

Right-winger: "You believe X"
Liberal: "I don't believe X. I believe Y"
Right-winger: "No. You believe X"
Liberal: "Please show a quote leading you to say I believe X"
Right-winger: "Right here"
Liberal: "I never said that. Never. Not once.
Right-winger: "Yes, you did. Right here. Here is the quote, you actually said that.
Liberal: "You are so racist!"
Right-winger: *sigh*

 

Give me a couple of X's.

 

So the race card is supposed to be deployed when all other arguments fail. But I guess it's easier to cut to the chase.

 

You, ImNotOliver, posted: "I just can't put my finger on it, and I know we are supposed to pretend that the Republican Party isn't a racist organization, but there is just something about the way conservatives talk, the subjects they bring up, that keeps giving me the impression that racial discrimination oozes out of the conservative soul."

I am replying along these lines: Obama race agitated for eight years while all too many leftists cheered. It's fairly obvious what is oozing out of all too many leftist souls. It's called hypocrisy and double standards.

 

"Coke or Pepsi"
"Pepsi"
"Racist!"

 

Do you know does believe and promote these weird assed fantasies trumpkins have been instructed to barf up?

trumpkins.

Not just liberals, of course, it's anyone who isn't in the cult.

 

Exactly. It's such a shame. When did they lose touch with their American values? Maybe the rumors are true and most are paid bots...? Maybe, maybe not.

 

Standard. Operating. Procedure.

 

I think after two years y'all should have meeting to discuss some universal vernacular insults for Trump supporters because there's so many it's hard to keep up with which one is the best insult. IMO "trumpkins" is a bit weak.

Other than that, I'm becoming more immune to the description of a cult if you are talking about patriots or Constitutionalists. Yep, I'm in that cult.

 

Let me help you. It is not that Republicans hate POCs so much as it is Republicans think it is OK to be White.

Now, there is something that oozes out of the liberal soul that gives me the impression that they hate White people and that people who think it is OK to be White are racists.

 

https://townhall.com/columnists/kur...ve-obnoxious-liberal-argument-cheats-n2485258

 

Jumping straight to racist, Hitler, Nazi, or homophobe is the immediate mark of a loser. Expected and delivered in under 10 posts. You embarrass yourself.

 

For me, as soon as anyone exclaims, "cult" in regards to generally a large group of voters, the exclaimer is not worth to even listen to, or read. For they just telegraphed what they are, and all are impervious to serious, concerned, and sincere discussion. No, they are not in a cult either but lack the reasonableness essential for constructive debate. You may as well try to teach a pig to sing with these kinds of minds. And they will always degenerate into name calling, and using the word cult at the outset should tell us early on, where that person will inevitable go. And most times, it doesn't take long for them to do that.

 

The trouble is, you seldom see liberal democrats that appear to hold your positions. If you can ever find one running his mouth or her mouth, in the media, and who says he or she does not believe in sanctuary cities, please, start a threat and post the link. For I think you would have just found an anomaly, and something even more rare than hen's teeth.

But then again, being an old FDR liberal, I hardly see any modern democrat liberals who hold my positions either. Trying to find one in MSM is an exercise in futility. Finding a democrat that believes working americans should be represented automatically makes one a sanders voter, but sanders isn't a democrat. It is no secret that the DP believed they didn't need white working americans to win elections, and therefore there was no need to represent them. This change happened in the 90s, under clinton, but I saw it voiced in an article in The New Yorker back in 2016. Before the election where white working americans played a significant role in trump's win.

 

I'm of Swedish descent. Blonde hair and bright blues eyes. Chances are, I'm much Whiter than you. Liberalism is a wholly White creation. It was liberals who first decided that our leaders be held accountable the the people. The most liberal spots in the US, are some of the whitest places in the world. Obviously liberals don't have problems with Whites. However, liberals don't have the fear factor that conservatives do. And repeating the lie that liberals hate White people only makes liberals see conservatives as less than honest. If one has an unreasonable hatred of people not like oneself, and one feels that they have a need to lie about those like oneself, but with a differing viewpoint, then that one, in my opinion, is not honorable.

 

I read all of your posts in a Donald Duck voice.

 

Considering that I didn't mention "Hitler, Nazi, or homophobe" (sic) but rather you did.....

 

Give it time....give it time..

 

Liberals tend to believe words = action. I look at actions, not words and that is all I need to see to know what liberals really believe.