Feminism and Respect

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  1. ibshambat

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    Probably the saddest comment that I've ever heard was a feminist graduate student describing her female body as “useless.” Useless? How can it be useless? A female body can produce new life. What can be more useful than that?

    A related claim is that many women are traumatized through wrongful sexual practices by men. That may very well be the case; but that is in no way the only way in which people can be traumatized. People get traumatized in war. People get traumatized in bad upbringing. People get traumatized when their families get shot or their countries get destroyed. Sex abuse victims do not own traumatization.

    I have heard a feminist graduate student telling me that in traditional cultures women had more power than they do now, because they were in control of reproduction and sex. I have heard any number of others – strong, successful women – saying that feminism has gone too far. I have also known women who had no use for feminism at all. They wanted to be with a working man and stay home with the children. Which means that feminism, despite its claims, does not begin to speak for all women. It may speak for some; but by no means everyone and not even the majority.

    Many feminists go on about equality; but they do not care about anything else. The question then becomes, equality – in what? Equality in nastiness? Equality in hideousness? Many women would not want that kind of equality at all. They would rather accept some inequality in order to have a more fulfilling existence.

    Men and women have the sexual and emotional nature, which is gendered, and they have the intellectual and volitional nature, in which they are the same. Denying women the right to either is denying the woman half a life. We see this both with feminists who attack man-woman relationships and family life and the patriarchial men who believe that the woman's place is in the home.

    Some women will want both careers and family life. Some will want one or the other. If feminists really do believe in women's empowerment and women's rights, they will accept the choices of all three. I have no idea which path my daughter will choose, and I neither urge nor discourage her in either direction. I also know of the potential problems that she would face in either situation. Women who choose family life and relationships are at a risk of violence. Women who choose careers are at a risk of nastiness in the workplace and viciousness from feminist and otherwise nasty women. I see no reason why one would be better or worse than the other. Both carry opportunities, and both carry risks.

    Eminem had a huge following, and some of his followers were female. These girls have had it with emotional bullying by older women, and they chose violence by men over it. I do not believe that one should have to put up with either one or the other. Both are wrong. And in the situation of the gender war, we see everyone involved being taught to be jerks. And that makes the world worse for everyone. Which means that I owe it to my daughter and to the children growing up now to do what I can do to correct this state of affairs.

    The solution is the opposite from what is advocated by each side. The solution is not ill will; the solution is good will. Teach men to be good to women, and teach women to be good to men. Not only teach it, but also reward it. Let men who are willing to be good to women get together with women who are willing to be good to men. And as they do so, allow them to set appropriate incentives within society.

    There is only one workable solution to the gender war. That solution is mutual goodwill. I do not say love, as many people do not have experience of such a thing. I say goodwill, which is a conce[p that everyone should understand. If you are a man and you hate women, or if you are a woman and you hate men, have nothing to do with the other gender. If you do have relationships, do so with someone whom you can respect. And if you respect nobody, then go on your own.

    Respect, of course, is another concept on which there is a lot of confusion. When I was younger I did not respect many people, but I do now. Respect is not something that can be coerced or demanded. Respect is something that is earned. It is valid to demand tolerance; it is not valid to demand respect.

    In fact there is likely to be a negative correlation between people who are likely to demand respect and people who actually deserve respect. There are many reasons to respect a hard-working mother. There are far fewer reasons to respect some capricious college girl.

    If the women in traditional cultures, as one of the sources listed above claimed, did have more power than do women now, then that is power that has been rightfully earned. They were mothers. They were grandmothers. They worked hard at what they were doing. These women did things that actually were worthy of respect; and whatever respect they got was completely merited. Whereas I see very little reason to respect women who know nothing but hatred and are horrible human beings.

    Of course the venal behavior of Third Wave feminists has had all sorts of negative repercussions for women everywhere in the world. If you teach women to be jerks, it will only be a matter of time before some opportunist will come along and say, “See, we told you. Women are evil. Men should beat them and keep them in their place.” The feminists will not see the results of that; but all sorts of women around the world will, and have. A girl in the ghetto, or Middle East, or an American right-wing community, is being punished wrongfully for the sins of the feminists. The opportunists mentioned have part of the responsibility for that; the other part of responsibility belongs with feminists.

    Gender war teaches everyone to be jerks; and that means that it is the problem and not the solution. The solution is the opposite of gender war: Goodwill between men and women. This is what should be taught everywhere – families, churches, academia, what have you. It is the only possible workable solution. And it is this solution that should be vigorously pursued by all sectors of society.
     
  2. LiveUninhibited

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    Basically. I don't think the bottom line is necessarily good will. Just respect for people's rights to live their lives how they want. One doesn't have to have contempt for men or housewives to understand that women deserve the same opportunities without consideration of their gender as negative or positive.
     
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    The question, when do legitimate grievances devolve into perpetual, self-imposed victimhood?

    Try living with a perpetual victim. Jeeez, if the moon turned blue it would have been my fault.
     
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    Women need more choices? if they had all the choices in the world, as does every first world national woman, then they would still complain. the problem is it is not them complaining, it is others complaining for them, loud people that draw the ire of the whole continent.

    When people make television, they draw on issues that should have been settled by now. since the seventies people have been going on about gay people, women's rights and freedom of speech, it is like a huge sucking black hole of over flogged horses. typically, women meet men in the media and then they fight over their worth all the time, making people watching think that this is still an issue.

    Women int he west have rights, get over it. women in the third world like their stake, as, they do not protest except here in south africa, where they watch too much television.
     
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    Op...useless?

    Without the gals it would be hell for the hetero male. The female body makes the world go round for the hetero male. If that was not the case then all men would like some hairy guys (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) for love.

    Women, esp the man hating lesbian separatists may not like this fact, but that is natures way. If the woman was a female duck, then the male duck would bite the feathers off the back of her neck when having sex. Every species has their up's and down when it comes to sex.

    I knew a lesbian separatist. The only way I could know her was she was a friend of the family or she would never allow a man in her house. If per chance a man was required to do some work, she always had another separatist or woman with her at home when the man was working.

    She hated men with a passion. When I happened to visit her with my family she would cross her arms or put both fists under her chin to use both arms to cover her breasts. God forbid a man should see the outline of her breasts through her clothes. She was (*)(*)(*)(*)ed.

    If your not familiar with lesbian separatism, here is the bible of the man hating lesbian separatist...the S.C.U.M Manifesto. (Society for Cutting Up Men)

    https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2016/07/07/the-scum-manifesto/
     
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    I recall a couple of years ago, a Swedish theater group put up a play based on the SCUM-Manifesto and the idea was that every 9th grader in Sweden should go and watch it for "educational purposes". Not sure if they actually went on pushing through the proposal.:laughing:
     
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    I don't want sex or have children so women aren't useful for me. They can not control me.
     
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    News flash, you are controlled by defacto.
     
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    You think we got our rights by doing nothing?
     
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    Men who hate women don’t have organizations...they just sexually assault one out of every 6 women
     
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    The links are presented.
     
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    I can’t find them. I don’t believe most child abuse and I mean abuse, is perpetrated by women, Those it would make sense because then who abuse the children are usually kicked out of the home. I also believe the boys are probably hit more because they are not seen as vulnerable. Goes along with the “act like a man“ mentality . But most sexual abuse you could be sure to perpetrated by fathers. I do not believe for a second that men are one and six victims of domestic violence
     
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    In the Ninth grade, You could only get me to go if there was Pizza, or if I was forced to go in some way.
     
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    I taught sex ed for 15 years...I could write another book!
     
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    Define sexual assault please if its 1:6 having a man pull a weapon on them, forcing them to strip or something then having violent intercourse with them or drugging women and doing said intercourse or a man doing something similar to a minor child we do have a major issue with men I agree need addressing. The number is high to me so where is your evidence from a reputable source that is unbiased to look at?
     
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    Here....
    https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence
    The number is not high to me at all. If you put six women together you will find at least one of them has been sexually assaulted. I was sitting with a bunch of teachers one day , there were eight of us and four of us had had sexual assaults. A sexual assault does not necessarily mean rape..Or do you consider a man masturbating in front of you or opening the door naked just normal behavior? Do you consider a man who grabs ******* not sexually assaulting them? If so if a gay man grabbed your balls against your will, would you not consider that a sexual assault
     
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    Ummmm, lets see sexual assault I would identify as physical contact with the naked bare skin of the genitals with other things mentioned as lesser sexual acts so if your going that broad I would say the numbers are way off. The Kinsey Institute states under coercive sex on their web site 10.8% of women reported penetration this is unclear if this is with a finger, object or penis so assuming its a mix of these actual rape in the shoving in a penis into an orifice is possibly a lower number than that. I would say the man who grabs my penis and balls it would be sexual but not rape. Here is the Florida definition it clearly demands ones offending genitals or an object be used on the other persons so some of those things you listed are not sexual battery.

    Under Florida Statute 794.011, the crime of Sexual Battery is committed when a person has non-consensual oral, anal, or vaginal contact with another person using their sexual organ or an object.

    So I was raped when penetrated by the mans penis, groping me wouldn't have been rape and flashing a woman isn't rape its indecent exposure not a sex crime.

    Like I said having three non-drunk witnesses allowed me to press charges plus the rape kit and his confession but even then to avoid a trial I allowed a lesser charge of Aggravated Battery it was that or be up for a sex crime charge and in prison that is not a good thing, he spent 8 years inside and has to live with a criminal record as a violent criminal I'm fine with that. But I survived and have a low tolerance for sex criminals however tossing a flasher or a groper in with a rapist who forces a penis into a person are totally separate sexual acts and not all rape. You might lump them all together but that's not fair to the perverts who don't penetrate and hurt someone with a sex organ or object.

    Women rape women to although its not as common so its not like sick people can't be of either gender.
     
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    No sexual assault does not mean naked bare skin. When I was with this guy and he ripped off my shirt I was being sexually assaulted even though he never got much further. And please don’t give me this bullshit that women rape women. That’s like saying toddlers beat up that mothers because some hit their moms
    I wonder how you would have felt if the man got off with no penalty and you were blamed ..after all, it was your fault, right?
     

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