And what is causing the climate to change? Little climate fairies? Magic mushroom monsoons?? Eructations from the Great and Wonderful Flying Spaghetti Monster?
No something has to make it change - just like something has to change your underpants traffic lights don't change by themselves Toilet rolls do not change by themselves (although it is a male misconception that they do) Car oil does not change itself and the climate does not change without some influence causing the change Can you tell us what that is? (Mind you hot air from Alan Jones could be a factor)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html There has been NO statistically significant warming for 15 years. Your lies and fudged data con not refute the real FACTS.
How exactly?!?! I am not the one who just linked to a fabricated news story. That was you. Sorry champ. You have been sucked in. That David Rose article you linked to was bogus. He made it up. The scientist, Judith Curry whose opinion he is basing the whole thing on admitted it: With regard to the Rose article. The article spun my comments in ways that I never intended. http://judithcurry.com/2011/10/30/mail-on-best/#comment-130147 Get that one mods? I know a faked newspaper article when I see it Sorry - but you are the one quoting a faked newspaper article Actually there has. Even Judith Curry - the scientists who was misquoted in the bogus article you posted says so: The Muller "results unambiguously show an increase in surface temperature since 1960," Curry wrote Sunday. http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma..._he_now_agrees_global_warming_is_real/?page=2 An the BEST report that article is referring to - funded by deniers and carried out by sceptics, also found that the planet is indeed warming and this warming has not in any way "stopped" A prominent physicist and skeptic of global warming spent two years trying to find out if mainstream climate scientists were wrong. In the end, he determined they were right: Temperatures really are rising rapidly. http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...c_finds_he_now_agrees_global_warming_is_real/ I have already explained to several other deniers why they should not link to bogus newspaper articles. I suggest you read this: http://www.politicalforum.com/1060876414-post198.html Actually - it does. This result is quite clear and unambiguous - since the observed warming of the planet has coincided with observed increases in downward longwave radiation and an observed decrease in outgoing radiation in the same wavelengths that are absorbed by CO2. Now: You wrote "No warming in the last 15 years" Could you please provide some evidence to support this statement? Or apologise to the forum for telling a lie. And are you ever going to tell us what prediction Flannery made that was wrong? We have already established that you statement was a lie when you when you said he said: "that we wouldnt see good rain again and that dams would never fill" So what did he actually predict? Could you please explain these false statements you have been making?
This message is hidden because bugalugs is on your ignore list. Due to bugs's constant inability to see basic truth I have added him/her/it to the ignore list. I have neither the time nor the inclination to talk to someone that has the foresight of a freakin house brick.
Going to love seeing all the posts crying once the libs tear down the carbon TAX and the "green" schemes. AGW is a political AGENDA that is all.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ight-Thames-freezing-again.html#ixzz1ksaai1Qc Here is the important part for those with a reading and comprehension problem Yes that right, the world is NOT WARMING!!!! The church of global warming is falling apart and once the libs win the next election the the alarmists will crumble and fall....
I know you are still reading. Better check the article you are linking to buddy. It is bogus. And we are still waiting for you to answer some questions. You wrote "No warming in the last 15 years" Could you please provide some evidence to support this statement? Or apologise to the forum for telling a lie. And are you ever going to tell us what prediction Flannery made that was wrong? We have already established that you statement was a lie when you when you said he said: "that we wouldnt see good rain again and that dams would never fill" So what did he actually predict? Could you please explain these false statements you have been making before you run away?
This message is hidden because bugalugs is on your ignore list. let me guess bla bla bla jonesy....bla bla bla bolt...bla bla bla ( insert falsified IPCC data here} bla bla bla random insult. Bla bla bla blame abbott. Sorry bugs but i aint going to talk with you about this. Simple FACT is that there has been NO WARMING in the last 15 years.
Actaully it is. You are making the same mistake as when you quoted what Alan Jones told you Flannery said, instead of what Flannery ACTUALLY said. Here you are quoting what Rose has told you the NET said said, instead of what the MET ACTUALLY said. The MET ACTUALLY said: The global average temperature from HadCRUT3 for January to October 2011 was 14.36°C, 0.36°C above the 1961-1990 long term average. The latest figures from the HadCRUT3 record supports those already published by NOAA and NASA GISS which are all run independently. 2011's placing near the top of temperature datasets which go back to 1850 continues a long-term warming trend in global climate. This has seen each successive decade since 1950 warmer than the last, with 2010 being one of the warmest individual years on record. Peter Stott, Head of Climate Monitoring and Attribution at the Met Office, said: "This year we have seen a very persistent and strong La Niña, which brings cooler water to the surface of the Pacific Ocean. This has a global impact on weather and temperatures, and is one of the key reasons why this year does not figure as highly as 2010 in the rankings. "However, global temperature so far this year is likely higher than it was during the La Niña events in 2008 and 1999-2000 - indicating a continuing warming trend combined with natural variability." Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, said that due to natural variability we do not expect to see each year warmer than the last, but the long-term trend is clear. "The HadCRUT3 record, supported by the other records, is one indicator amongst several which provide overwhelming evidence that the climate has warmed," he said. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2011/2011-global-temperature If you want to quote a source - quote the source. DO NOT quote fabrications from dodgy journalists
Still reading my posts, aren't you. You have been conned. Your source is bogus. Go to what the MET actually said. You have been sucked in. And are you ever going to tell us what prediction Flannery made that was wrong? We have already established that you statement was a lie when you when you said he said: "that we wouldnt see good rain again and that dams would never fill" So what did he actually predict? Please tell us.
This message is hidden because bugalugs is on your ignore list. The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century. Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ight-Thames-freezing-again.html#ixzz1o8RRa4ZU http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010...t-phil-jones-no-global-warming-since-1995.php The scientist at the center of the climategate scandal made a rather important admission during an interview with the BBC. Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now - suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon. And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no 'statistically significant' warming.
bugs you are being rather foolish.... one of your HIGH PRIESTS has admitted that there has been no statistically significant warming for 15 years...get over it...you are wrong, admit it and move on.
Oh dear. You don't know what statistically significant means, do you. Anyway - you are 100% wrong. Again: Climate warming since 1995 is now statistically significant, according to Phil Jones, the UK scientist targeted in the "ClimateGate" affair. Last year, he told BBC News that post-1995 warming was not significant - a statement still seen on blogs critical of the idea of man-made climate change. But another year of data has pushed the trend past the threshold usually used to assess whether trends are "real". Dr Jones says this shows the importance of using longer records for analysis. By widespread convention, scientists use a minimum threshold of 95% to assess whether a trend is likely to be down to an underlying cause, rather than emerging by chance. If a trend meets the 95% threshold, it basically means that the odds of it being down to chance are less than one in 20. Last year's analysis, which went to 2009, did not reach this threshold; but adding data for 2010 takes it over the line. "The trend over the period 1995-2009 was significant at the 90% level, but wasn't significant at the standard 95% level that people use," Professor Jones told BBC News. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13719510 BTW: We are still waiting for you to answer some questions. Are you ever going to tell us what prediction Flannery made that was wrong? We have already established that you statement was a lie when you when you said he said: "that we wouldnt see good rain again and that dams would never fill" So what did he actually predict? You have started this thread based on some non-existant quote. Care to explain yourself?
AGW is bullsh!t. And anyone who thinks that an ETS system based on farming carbon credits and derivatives on the stock exchange will do anything to clean up manmade pollution is a CLOWN fullstop. goodnight.
This message is hidden because bugalugs is on your ignore list. NO WARMING IN 15 YEARS http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech-...imate-scientist-admits-no-warming-in-15-years No matter what BS bugs posts the FACT is that there has been no warming in 15 years.
There are a few clowns in the aussie forum..... I bet these fools are the same ones that fall for the Nigerian scam emails LOL. A TAX on CO2 is just a way they can sneak in wealth re-distribution without us knowing. Not that CO2 is a problem mind you...it a SCAM.
You still have not explained to us why you think it is a "fact" that there has been no warming in 15 years THat is not a "fact". It is a lie. You have been asked to show evidence to support this "fact". You have not yet shown any. You posted an article from the Daily Mail. But it was an article which was completely false. It was based on a supposed statement by the MET - a statement that did not exist. The article was a fabrication. I showed you the statement form the MET. I showed you how it was misquoted in your article. You have also posted as "evidence" the claim that Prof Jones had said their had been "no statistically significant warming for 15 years". You ignore the fact that in the statement your were quoting, Jones actually said that there had definitely been warming in the past 15 years - it is just that the timeframe being discussed does not allow statistical significance. You also ignored the fact (which your were shown) that Jones has subsequently said that as of 2011 - Climate warming since 1995 is now statistically significant. Now - could you please show us some evidence to support your statement that "there has been no warming in 15 years"? Please show us this evidence or apologise to the forum for posting a lie.
Who is perpetrating this "scam"? How did the people behind this scam manage to ret glacial mass balance to decrease, arctic sea ice to retreat, downward longwave radiation to increase, outgoing radiadion to decrease in the same wavelength bands as absorbed by CO2 and sea levels to rise right on cue?!?!? Did they also go back in time 100 years and develop the original theory of AGW just to trick everyone?!?! That is one hell of a scam!!! How are they pulling this off?
An ETS system has been proven to be effective in cleaning up manmade pollution under the US EPA Clean Air Act. Why do you think it will not work for carbon pollution? The evidence says you are 100% wrong http://www.epa.gov/airquality/peg_caa/acidrain.html Do you have anything to support your statement? Or was it just something Jonesy told you?
Then what is causing the planet to warm? What is causing sea levels to rise? What is causing the arctic ice cap to shrink? What is causing global glacial mass balance to decrease? What is causing outgoing longwave radiation to decrease at the same wavelengths as those absorbed by CO2? What is causing downward longwave radiation to increase? What is causing the stratosphere to cool? Do you have an explanation? Do you know something that all of the world's scientist do not? Please let us in on your little secret!
Once again we have a group against science. Why are they against it? They can't understand it and since they're sooooooooooooo smart it must mean that the science is wrong instead of their lack of intelligence/education. We hear the exact same arguments from those opposed to Evolution. There's supposedly a big list of scientists who don't support Evolution and a big list that don't support AGW. In both cases however most of the names mean nothing. They're not from that field and in many cases they had no idea that their names are on it. This is the sort of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that science has to contend with every day from the idiotic masses.
