Florida Bests California Again – This Time in COVID Outcomes

…In Florida, the state of emergency ended 21 months ago, with most of the actual lockdown/closure strictures – like dining in restaurants, going to school, etc. – lifted well before that.

While the health impact was the same, the economic and social issues were far different. Florida had the eighth lowest Oxford rating in the nation, while California had the third highest (only New York and Hawaii – for obvious reasons – were rated to have more restrictive pandemic responses.)

The report states that:

• The two states had roughly equal health outcomes scores, suggesting little, if any, health benefit from California’s severe approach.

• California suffered far worse economic and education outcomes than Florida, which scored well above average on each.

• California’s severe lockdowns seemed to elicit a jump in its already high out-migration, while Florida experienced a significant in-migration increase during the pandemic as compared with pre-pandemic trends.

It should also be noted that while California ended the pandemic with a nearly $20 billion dollar debt to the federal government to cover unemployment benefits, Florida’s unemployment insurance trust fund actuallyearned money for the state….








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It is no surprise that Newscum declined comment on the findings here. Florida was right all along. We in rural California are vindicated for defying our idiots and following the South Dakota and Florida model.

 

This news report covering the results of an important study is interesting. A great read.

 

Interesting results! But cali is honestly just garbage period.

 

Keep in mind the elderly retire OUT California and go TO places like Florida.,

 

~ If only Governor Newsom had ordered the covid-19 infected elderly to be locked in nursing homes California could have "out-killed " New York .. !

 

Paragon Health Institute that did the study is run by a Trump adviser. No bias here.

 

if was good that Florida ignored Trump's reopen Guidelines and opened early, most States did

 

did you think the elderly with covid, but no symptoms should have been forced to stay in the hospital and take up a bed, or that nursing home should have done better - Florida did not do this either

"Did President Trump Roll Back Rules Protecting Elderly at Nursing Homes?"

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-rolls-back-rules-protecting-elderly/


the reality is, Nursing Homes should have separated infected people, they failed to do this, hospitals could not give up a bed for everyone that showed no symptoms and tested positive, not enough beds

 

And sadly, when folks leave the state in search of liberty, they continue to vote Democrat, which is what took away their liberty in the first place.

 

Let's be blunt here: Trump had no say in the rules, in the same way he wasn't wearing a lab coat(I'm still disgusted by that propaganda. It's low, even for Kamala lol.). During the Covid SAGA, we weren't ruled by our governments but we were ruled by the lab coats. People we didn't even elect to make these social living decisions and had no experience in legislature in general.('Listen to the science!')

As far as prevention for future outbreaks, it should be understood that they have an advisory role and that major decisions made and taken should be by our elected officials. The scientific community is not capable of, let alone elected to make social decisions.

 

the nursing homes failed us, it was not the hospital's responsibility to take in patients with no symptoms is the point

we do need regulations for nursing homes it seems, as this same issue probably happens with the flu

as long as the right wants to blame dem governors, then trump also gets blame though, he was President, they were the governors

 

Here is your chance to make a real difference

 

Lab coats didn’t make any social decisions, they don't have the power, so our elected officials did based on the data they had at the time. Although we made some mistakes, I understand why they were made at the time, and also understand that their were many things we did not know at the time that were factored into this study. To Monday morning quarterback those decisions now is disingenuous to them, and to those who actually made the decisions based on the science at the time, and to future pandemics (which will happen)

So in the same vain that you espouse that they were wrong, can you tell us how many more would have died had we not initiated the protocols that they did ?

 

Note. Florida's death rate from Covid was 30% higher than California's. Seems Florida failed, patently failed, utterly failed in their Covid response

DeSantis literally murdered people with their own ignorance, a sort of genocidal cult of stupidity.

https://www.bioinformaticscro.com/blog/states-ranked-by-age-adjusted-covid-deaths/

 

~ Sad but true ...

 

DeSantis's Florida beats Newsom's California, again. Here's the comparison | Fox News
States that eschewed federal proclamations tended to do far better than states that adopted severe measures

I live in CA., and no state had more severe measures.

 

You do realize DeSantis may be misrepresenting the facts here.

Actual numbers are located in this site: Confirmed deaths is 85,710. And from this website, it says, "The headline outcome is that Florida’s Covid death toll relative to its population was 34% higher than California’s. Going by 2021 population estimates and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s May 4 weekly release of Provisional COVID-19 Deaths by Sex and Age, 241 in 100,000 Californians have died from the disease, 12th lowest among the states, while 322 Floridians have, 28th lowest and well above the national Covid death rate of 302 per 100,000." The use of the per capita outcome shows that Florida, on a per capita basis was worse than California. And California has a much greater population than Flordia did in 2020 and 2021. It is how you account for a more populous state and a lesser populous state in equal terms.

https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-i...a-versus-florida-a-covid-reckoning-justin-fox

 

Florida is where the east coast goes to retire. The median age in California is like 5 years lower than Florida's. Another factor to consider is that lockdowns were about "flattening the curve" to keep hospitals in capacity as best they could. Florida has a higher hospital capacity--about half a bed per 1000 people more than California so California had more pressure on their hospitals. In that sense, I don't think either state really did anything particularly good or bad other than bide time until a vaccine came along and we knew better how to treat COVID.

Now, all that said, living in neither place, I felt then and now that the lockdowns were draconian. We were shooting in the dark of course, but I didn't really see a reason why all these places in my area needed to shut down and people couldn't go to church based on some big city's number of cases a few hundred miles away when ours were still very token numbers. As for the federal response, that was an inevitable train wreck before it pulled out of the station, especially after they kept the extended benefits like the rent moratorium and enhanced unemployment and child bonus checks (and yes those damn PPP loans).

 

Every study that's been concluded has basically come to the conclusion that we ended up doing a whole lot of nothing. Economically, we had set ourselves back and in terms of non-covid medical procedures and checkups, causing even more of a health calamity. I think the biggest mistake is that our lab coat friends can make a bunch of simulations, sure, but nothing trumps real life experience.

Our politicians should've had the balls or capacity to be a filter of the good ideas from the terrible ones.

 

~ In order for that to happen our Capitola Hill elite politicians would have to actually work for "we the people ". Those who are paying attention know that this is not the case ...

 

Fair points.

 

I trust our politicians less to make those decisions. Its hard to Monday morning quarterback these things, but we need to investigate what we did, and what we got right, and what we got wrong so that next time we are better at it.

In all of this one stat stands out for me, which was how many people died. The question that needs to be asked isnt on how many died, its how many would have died had we not implemented the protocols we did ?

 

That's impossible to know for certain. But if we had operated as normal, we can assume some normalities, namely that people would have had routine checkups and non-covid deaths could certainly have been alleviated as well. And one would argue that it's probably better to avoid death where it could be avoided, as opposed to trying to avoid death from something that up to that point we didn't know if we could evade it.

 

Roughly equal health outcomes? No. The cumulative per capita death rate in Florida is like 55% higher.

U.S. COVID death rate by state 2023 | Statista

But it's not a straightforward comparison. Age matters. Population density matters. Behavior matters. Etc. I have doubts the study addressed those issues comprehensively, but I didn't see a way to actually review the study.