Florida hospitals lose billions due to pandemic measures

MIAMI (AP) — Florida hospitals say they have collectively lost nearly $4 billion in the past four months because of the coronavirus.

Even with financial aid from the government, hospitals around the state said they are hemorrhaging money due to increased staffing costs, testing and other protective equipment, along with lost revenue from patients delaying care or canceling elective surgeries.

"The COVID-19 pandemic has financially shocked our health care system," Florida Hospital Association's Interim President Crystal Stickle said in a statement Friday.

The group represents over 200 hospitals, and estimated projected losses through August at $7.4 billion.

The state health department reported Friday 4,684 new confirmed cases and 119 new deaths from the virus.

Hospitalizations due to COVID-19 have also been declining over the past month. Late Friday morning, 4,909 patients were being treated for the disease in Florida hospitals compared to Thursday's 5,340 patients. That number has fallen from a peak above 9,500 on July 23.

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/finance/florida-hospitals-lose-billions-due-pandemic-measures

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Last WAVE, Florida's Hospitals also lost BILLIONS;

April 29, 2021

Even with federal relief funding of $4 billion, Florida hospitals lost billions over the last year due to the onslaught of the COVID pandemic, according to Mayhew.

Despite these losses, Justin Senior, CEO of Safety Net Hospital Alliance of Florida, said federal funding “prevented a true medical catastrophe.” He said the CARES provider relief fund was “a lifeline, not a windfall” and that hospitals in the state lost much more in revenue than they received.

https://thecapitolist.com/floridas-budget-brings-sigh-of-relief-to-florida-hospitals/

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Attention all vaccinated people;

.........Thank you for saving over one hundred thousand of lives

COVID-19 Vaccines Saved 140,000 Lives Over First 5 Months ...
https://www.healthline.com › health-news › covid-19-v...6 days ago — ... suggests that early COVID-19 vaccination saved thousands of lives and ... Yes, Some People Are Getting Secretly Vaccinated for COVID-19.

AND thank you for keeping the cost of covid hospitalizations down, both actual, and preventable.

QUESTION; Who does not care about;

a. The miseries and suffering of covid hospitalized patients?
b. Our burned out health care workers?
c. Our staggering number of covid deaths?
d. And the COST of covid hospitalizations, both actual, and preventable?

ANSWER: Obviously, the ones who booed Trump at his Alabama rally

Trump booed at Alabama rally after telling supporters to get vaccinated

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...er-telling-supporters-get-vaccinated-n1277404

Thus, his own deplorables.

 

And back in March, 2021

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (Cap News Services) – Following President Biden’s action puts pen to paper on the American Rescue Plan, Florida will receive billions of dollars in federal COVID-relief funds.

The burden falls on Florida lawmakers to the decide how to spend that money.

Lawmakers began this legislative session facing a $2.1 billion budget shortfall caused by the pandemic, but the state is about to receive $10.2 billion from the federal government, which at least in theory, will make balancing the budget easier.
Florida lawmakers mulling how to spend $10 billion federal ...
https://www.wfla.com › news › florida-lawmakers-mulli...Mar. 11, 2021 — Florida lawmakers mulling how to spend $10 billion federal COVID relief ... will receive billions of dollars in federal COVID-relief funds.

THE MATH;

Back in March; a $2.1 billion budget shortfall caused by the pandemic

Today; Due to a record high covid hospitalizations, FL's hospitals estimated losses through August, $7.4 billion.

Total actual/estimated losses;

Last Fl's Covid Wave; Actual, $2.1 Billion
Fl's Current Covid Wave; Estimated through August, 2021, $7.4 Billion
Total; $9.5 billion

Covid Relief Funds; $10.2 billion - $9.5 billion = $700 million.......

September's estimated losses; Who knows, however, in reference to the remaining $700 million Relief Funds......Certainly gone!.......AND THEN, if no more relief funds, DeSantis will force his local governments to raise taxes, and/or cut spending.

 

Seems like a good place to mention that, as of 6/14/21 and by the order of Gov MoRon 'King of the Spreadnecks' DeathSantis, Florida Dept of Health no longer reports child COVID hospitalizations. Of course that decision coincided with the fight over school distracts and mask mandates. This will make it easier for spreadnecks to deny all the children getting sick and dying now that school is back in session. Its similar to the tactics of pruning cases/deaths, cutting back rccording/reporting to once every 10 days, shutting down public dashboards, and cutting staff at the various positions in FDOH that handle this data. DeathSantis believe that COVID doesn't spread if you just pretend it doesn't exist; he is denier incarnate.

On topic - The very people responsible for making Florida the COVID capital of the World think mitigations like masks and shutdowns don't work because Q 'researchers' working tirelessly in their advanced laboratories (aka sitting on their toilets with phone in hand) say so. Well here you go, spreadnecks, as if even more proof of how wrong you all are was needed - witness as our healthcare system crumbles.

 

they need to ask their State Governor for financial help

 

Oh the stupid! Of course hospitals were hit hard. So many of them had almost NO patients because of the lockdowns. Even now Covid patients are not even in the double digits percentage.

Hospitals make money by having beds filled, not empty.

 

DeSantis knows the virus is real. He let the rich people get it first. Or maybe he really thinks it fake and was buying votes.

https://www.wfla.com/community/heal...tis-gives-vaccine-update-from-lakewood-ranch/

I still think taking on the school board was not a good move. He better hope there are enough retirees' votes to make up for all the parents he's probably ticked off.

 

Several months ago, and in reference to Covid statistics, you folks were chanting;

“DeSantis did better than most States”

Well, here’s an indisputable fact; Among all States, thus, including lockdown States, Florida has the worst Covid Hospitalization Numbers, both adults and children.

Refute!

 

Well one thing is certain, many here only believe propaganda.

 

This is not propaganda;

1. Florida received $10.2 billion from the American Rescue Plan

2. Early June, 2021, DeSantis approved a record high $101.5 billion budget, nearly $10 billion more than the one he approved last year.

3. And the unpredictable Delta Wave/RELATED EXPENSES will chew up at least $10 billion off his record high budget.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/flori...da-lawmakers-pass-record-1015-billion-budget/

My question to you; Should Congress pass another $350 billion State and Local Relief Fund?

or,

Phook Em!

 

The facts ignored by those fooled by the propaganda is that hospitals MAKE their money by having beds filled. The fact is there was a shortage of nurses BEFORE Covid. The fact is that according to the UK the delta variant is 20 times less deadly and new Greek variants will follow the same path.

This is now an endemic, not a pandemic and will be around like all of our yearly flus. The fear porn pushed on the gullible accomplish one thing. It makes the rich richer.

 

Very crappy facts!

Quote: The fact is there was a shortage of nurses BEFORE Covid

REAL FACT: Prior to Delta, Florida did not have a shortage of nurses

Quote; The fact is that according to the UK the delta variant is 20 times less deadly

REAL FACT; 20 times less deadly than what? Standard Covid, Beta Variant, Gamma Variant, Alpha Variant, other variants?

Where are your ''20 times less deadly'' comparison numbers??????????

Quote: This is now an endemic, not a pandemic

REAL FACT; Florida's Delta Variant pandemic isn't over yet.



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I'm growing tired of your lousy brain.

 

Meh, numerous hospitals in south Texas shut down because they lost billions treating illegal immigrants.

 

SOURCE????????????

BTW, I don't want any liars to post in my thread.

 

State-by-state breakdown of 134 rural hospital closures

Date of article; November 24th, 2020

Twenty-one rural hospitals in Texas have closed since 2010, the most of any state.

Wise Regional Health System-Bridgeport............status unknown
Shelby Regional Medical Center..........................shut down 2013
Renaissance Hospital Terrell................................shut down 2013
East Texas Medical Center-Mount Vernon...........shut down 2014
East Texas Medical Center-Clarksville..................shut down 2014
East Texas Medical Center-Gilmer...............shut down 2014
Good Shepherd Medical Center (Linden)..............shut down 2014
Lake Whitney Medical Center (Whitney)...............shut down 2014
Hunt Regional Community Hospital of Commerce....................closed temporarily Aug 2021
Gulf Coast Medical Center (Wharton).....................shut down 2016
Nix Community General Hospital (Dilley).................shut down 2017
Weimar Medical Center......................shut down 2016
East Texas Medical Center-Trinity..................shut down 2017
East Texas Medical Center-Trinity...................shut down 2017
Little River Healthcare Cameron Hospital.............shut down 2018
Little River Healthcare Rockdale Hospital.............shut down 2018
Stamford Memorial Hospital...................shut down 2018
Texas General-Van Zandt Regional Medical Center (Grand Saline)..........shut down 2019
Hamlin Memorial Hospital..................shut down 2019
Chillicothe Hospital......................shut down 2019
Central Hospital of Bowie.....................shut down February, 2020

https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...breakdown-of-134-rural-hospital-closures.html

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PLEASE name the NUMEROUS hospitals in South Texas who had to shut down because they lost billions treating illegal immigrants;

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BTW, I don't want any liars to post in my thread.

 

Right, because their ERs are overrun by illegals, who get free health care. Thanks for proving my point. You can only provide free stuff for so long before you run out of money.

 

THIS FORUM RELATES TO COVID
THIS THREAD RELATES TO COVID

THUS, since the beginning of the pandemic, how many ''Southern'' Texas hospitals had to shut down because they lost billions treating illegal immigrants?

 

LOL, reading comprehension seems to escape you. Texas hospitals shut down - not because of COVID specifically, but because of illegals. Long before COVID was a thing.

 

Here's the right question to ask here. The covid pandemic is costing ALL health care institutions all across this country billions of dollars on both the front side and the backside. There are costs associated with the increased sanitation standards, lower labor productivity PPE, sterilization and testing equipment, and heightened labor needs of having Covid wings, screenings and triage etc. 'Quarantine' measures are expensive. Then you add the actual costs of direct in patient and out patient care. Some of the money will get swallowed by private insurance companies who will want to pass them on through higher rates, higher deductables, and paring back on benefits. Some of it will be billed to the taxpayer through increased medicaid, medicare, veterans care reimbursement, and pandemic relief bill costs .

Once you have decided that a hospital bed filled by a covid patient 'earns' that hospital money, you still have to ask who is paying that bill and how. I can't think of any answer that is going to be pretty for any of us. The red ink is by now, an ocean of red, and whether it pools on the private insurer, or the govt, or the health care industry , its bad news for all of us in inflationary pressures from every angle over the next two decades.

 

@chris155au should read this thread. I was telling him how the idea that hospitals were profiting from the pandemic by faking Covid-19 death certificates (no, it is not happening) is preposterous, and how hospitals actually lost a lot of money due to this pandemic.

 

That sums it up and it's rippling throughout the globe.

Theoretically, do you see any pathway in any direction for there to be a complete investigation of China's role in all this (I know they denied access to the investigators) and a workable restitution plan even it's just "on paper" (ie. significant reduction of our outstanding debts)?

I'm not a forensic accountant but this is going to be messy no matter how we slice it.

 

Somebody has to eat these ballooning costs. I cannot think of who we might want that someone to be, that does not lend itself to an economic tsunami coming straight at us.

 

FOR your info, since 2010, the State of Tennessee also closed down 14 rural hospitals, thus, 7 less than Texas, however, NOT NOT NOT because they've lost billions treating illegal immigrants.

Number of illegals in Tennessee;

124,000.........https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/TN

Number of Medicaid enrollees in Tennessee; 1.6 million

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/fact-s...ennessee,elderly and people with disabilities.

Number of Medicare enrollees in Tennessee; 1.4 million

https://www.ehealthmedicare.com/med...ug,beneficiaries in Tennessee: over 1,356,000

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AND ONCE AGAIN, name your Southern Texas Hospitals who had to shut down because ''they lost billions treating illegal immigrants''

 

I get it. You are not really aware of the facts and love the fear porn.

 

You are correct, I'm not really aware of your absurd frabricated facts. and rationale.

YOU SAID: ''The delta variant is 20 times less deadly''

FACT; You don't have the brain cells to figure it out your ''20 times less deadly'', however, I do!

First, the Delta variant is 20 times less deadly than what?

Answer; Lets say ''less deadly than original covid'', thus, from February, 2020 to Dec 31st, 2020.

NOTE:

US reports first case of new COVID-19 variant in Colorado
https://www.euronews.com › News › WorldDec. 30, 2020 — Coronavirus: US reports first case of new COVID-19 variant in Colorado ... The US has reported its first case of the new COVID-19 variant that was ...

FLORIDA ORIGINAL COVID STATISTICS, from February, 2020 to December 31st, 2020

1. Number of confirmed cases; 1,323,315
2. Number of Covid Coded Deaths; 21,673
3. Case Fatality Rate; 21,673/1,323,315% = 1.63%

Source; DeSantis Department of Health Figures........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Florida

Fact; Florida's Delta Variant Wave began late June, 2021.
Fact; Florida's number of confirmed cases, July 1st, 2021; 2,377,283
Fact; Florida's number of confirmed cases, Aug 23th, 2021; 3,103,941

A differential of; 726,658 cases


Fact; Florida's number of confirmed Covid coded deaths, July 15th, 2021, (15 days after Delta Wave began); 38,327
Fact; Florida's number of confirmed Covid coded deaths, Aug 23th, 2021; 42,722

A differential of; 4,395 deaths

Source; DeSantis Department of Health Figures........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Florida

Florida's Delta Case Fatality Rate; 4,395/726,658% = 0.6%

Question: Is Florida's Delta Variant 20 TIMES LESS Deadly than Original Covid?

Answer; 63% less deadly than orginial covid, but certainly not 20 times less deadly

Here's a simple example of your 20 times less deadly

Original Covid

a. Number of confirmed cases; 1 million
b. Number of Covid Coded deaths; 20,000

Delta Variant

c. Number of confirmed cases; 1 million
d. Number of Covid Coded deaths; 1,000.........thus, 20 times less deadly

Once again, if you don't have the brain cells to figure out ''all of the above'', and on your own, stay out of my thread.

 

Here's another example of 20 TIMES LESS DEADLY

Original Covid Case Fatality Rate; 2%

Delta Variant Case Fatality Rate; 0.1%

HOWEVER, Florida's Delta Case Fatality Rate is currently at 0.6%

I believe said 2% versus 0.1% Case Fatality Rate, thus, ''20 times less deadly'' originated from a TWEET, and then echoed by below average intelligent people.