Florida hospitals lose billions due to pandemic measures

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  1. CenterField

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    Who? American taxpayers. It's coming for us. Economic downturn, inflation, huge burden of health care costs for the people with long-term organ damage from Covid-19, curtailed productivity and life span... it's an economic disaster. It's huge. Most people don't realize it. They think that masks and the brief lockdowns are what has damaged the economy. No, the virus is what has damaged the economy, and it will damage it much more, to a degree we're not even seeing yet. This is bad. It will get worse.
     
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    Who is coming up with this 0.1% CFR for Delta?
    I wonder what the CFR for the unvaccinated who catch Delta is. Certainly it seems to be going up, with the United States now posting consistently more than 1,000 deaths per day.
    This CFR is being diluted by the vaccinated, so it doesn't reflect the true lethality of the Delta, for the populations that are devoid of any humoral or cellular immunity to prepare for a Delta assault.
     
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    I have been a lifelong advocate of raising those medicaid re-imbursement rates that continue to cripple long term and memory care to low wage status jobs with high turn-over, with little chance for major industry reform. This virus is not going to make that case any easier to make politically and far more desperate to accomplish. There is no rational economic reason for clinicians and facilities to take on Medicaid clients and every reason to stop and thats what more and more are doing.
     
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    yet you never offer any sourced facts ... why is that? ...
     
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    Yes, many of my colleagues are quitting. I'm strongly considering an early retirement. Things are looking more and more in the sense of my retiring from the healthcare workforce at some point between December 2021 and March 2022. I'm at the end of my rope. Sick and tired. Younger people should take over. I'm done.
     
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    I read widely and watch doctors videos. Not going around chasing facts the left is too lazy to look up.
     
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    It's really cute when you post random numbers that don't prove what you think they prove, lol. But hey, that's your schtick.
     
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    Not that I was even SAYING that hospitals were profiting from the pandemic by faking Covid-19 death certificates!
     
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    Well, you posted a video indicating that.
     
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    It's dumb(and obviously political) to try and make this a Florida thing.

    The covid lockdowns have dealt a financial blow to hospitals all over the country.
     
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    no need and the good news here is that most of the vacationers who have been here from Democrat voting states, have gone home.

    The new strain (Delta) of this engineered virus is more contagious than the original. Numbers are numbers and the death rate from this strain is much higher on the unvaccinated. Those are facts and numbers.

    The question is if FL is now at the peak and ready to decrease, nobody knows but the absence of folks from Democrat voting states will surely help.

    My one complaint about Desantis is that he should have closed the border to folks from Democrat voting states as they brought their virus with them and infected our workers.

    But, in just a few months, the same folk who complain about DeSantis will be heading to FL to enjoy warmth and liberty; stay home
     
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    Hospitals are businesses like any other. They require good management to succeed financially. Government is not the only thing that likes to deflect blame.
     
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    Prior to the pandemic, Florida hospitals were reporting HEALTHY profits.

    Take a look at their Gross Revenue/Net Revenue......

    https://musingsofatabico.com/posts/data/fl-hosp-rev/

    2020/2021 Fiscal Year; Nearly $3 billion in losses
    2021/2022 Fiscal Year; Estimated $7.4 billion in losses, and through August, 2021
    As of Sep, 2021; Who knows

    As I stated, the $10.2 billion Relief Fund/''Windfall'' Florida received from Congress has/will dissapear faster than Monika Lewinsky's lip gloss. In addition, Florida's unanticipated Delta Wave screwed up DeSantis 2021/2022 $101 billion record high budget, $10 billion more than last fiscal year.

    Note: FLorida's Fiscal Year; July 1st - June 30th, and Florida's Delta Wave began late June/early July.

    Thus, should Congress pass another State/Local Relief Fund?

    or,

    Phoook Em!

    I say ''Phoook Em!.........This time around, raising both State and Local taxes would certainly teach people how to be ''Pandemically Responsible''. Thus, effective immediately, your freedom to choose will cost you MONEY!
     
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    Most that died are already past working age.
     
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    I say the same thing. It is up to management to manage through difficulties. Our hospitals have managed to do that successfully. Government should never provide funds to a private enterprise except to buy something from it.
     
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    You think that the doctor in that video was saying that hospitals were profiting from the pandemic by faking Covid-19 death certificates? That's a weird take.
     
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    Yes, I think it's a weird take... it's the weird take that then President Trump explicitly stated in rallies ("Doctors are smart, they are inflating the numbers to get more money") and is the weird take that a lot of right wingers embrace. All mentions of inflated numbers and death certificates of deaths with Covid being reported as deaths from Covid imply that we do it for money. One doesn't need to say something to imply it. We can read between the lines. Again, who do you think you're fooling?
     
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    I work in a ghetto hospital and it would close its door in ten minutes without "DiSH money" from the government.

    Medicaid Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) Payments
    https://www.medicaid.gov › financial-management › m...

    Federal law requires that state Medicaid programs make Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) payments to qualifying hospitals that serve a large number of ...

    And that's pretty much how it is for every ghetto hospital.

    No government funding, no ghetto hospitals- period

    Oh, and I know for a fact that the ghetto hospital where I work is kinda nudging the "died with covid" patients over into the "died of covid" box in hopes of getting some more of that sweet Uncle Sugar candy.

    Ghetto hospitals gotta ghetto.
     
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    You don't ACTUALLY think that the doctor in that video was saying that hospitals were profiting from the pandemic by faking Covid-19 death certificates - do you?
     
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    Why are we still debating this? Like I said, I was getting at what you were implying between the lines by posting that.
     
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    You mean what you PERCEIVE me to be implying.
     
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    Yes, and I believe my perception to be correct, from what I know of your overall posting.
     
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    Yes, because so many of my posts are about inaccurate COVID death numbers! :roflol:
     
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    Your overall posting is that of a right-winger interested in discrediting Covid-19 precautions and misrepresenting/playing down the dangers of the pandemic. Really simple stuff. Again, you're not fooling anybody, regardless of your childish LOL emoticons. Your very insistence on this point (that doctor's video and what it implies between the lines), your very several posts trying to dodge the correct reading of your intention, are very telling and show that my point did hit the target. Any person for whom an attempted hit did not hit the target would have simply said, "yeah right" and moved on. Look, do post ten more times trying to dodge the correct call-out, but what you'll accomplish will be that you'll keep digging a bigger hole for yourself. Methinks thou protest too much.
     
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    Many here only repeat propaganda. The right-wing kind.
     

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