Former Pink Floyd frontman sparks fury by comparing Israelis to Nazis

the worst about it is how believable it seemed.

 

Indeed. I was thinking that myself. It wouldn't come as a surprise to me if they did shoot tourists.

 

http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/sewanee_review/summary/v119/119.4.thornton.html
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ae_1323480799

Regards
Highlander

 

Gilos I am sure they do because of criss cross of settlements and settlement roads. The WB is not one continuous area. I accept your position but it seems to be getting worse. It's probably nearer apartheid.

 

They need to go throu check points (many, every day, just to get to work) but not to give a permit to the check point to travel to the other village/town/city, the only exception is during curfews - and thats widely covered by the press,

The check points themselves are the "punishment", traffic jams,and as you said - humiliation of being checked by soldiers, for a father to smile at the soldiers while his kids in the car see his forced hypocracy and in way submission, or simply from their presence, did I mention that I hate it ?

 

Yes you did and I acknowledged that.

 

Yes, exactly. A concentration camp is intended to concentrate people into a small area where they can be easily watched and controlled. Pretty standard stuff.

Now if people want to blow up a completely honest remark into hyperbole, and think that trick "makes them win", well...it doesn't. Considering that the name of this place is literally "Political Forum", I think it's pretty reasonable to expect participants to either be prepared when they post, or to suffer the harsh realities that come with political defeat. This isn't the "off topic" area in a knitting forum, after all!

So I get what you're saying, but I also realize that I can't keep people from reading unintended meanings into what I write no matter how I phrase it. Cheers!

 

If you refered to me then you got me all wrong, I dont "trick" ppl to get a polituical win in this forum - for one, there is no political "win" in this forum, when you supply evidence the other side simply rejects the evidence and that's that.

You spoke of the Nazi camps and in the same sentence spoke on the existance of "Zionist" camps - so its very logical to assume you meant the same conditions apply in both, I didnt hyperbole your comment.

Ive been in the WB, Ive been at the check points and I saw a ppl under occupation, not genocide, not starving but occupation, and that's awful enough to act on ending it.

 

I flew into Ben Gurion (TLV), was based in Jerusalem and my travels took me to Bethlehem, Jericho, Nabulus, Haifa, Tiberias, a little of the Golan and a little more of the East Bank in Jordan. Thanks to a friend with contacts in the Australian intelligence service, I also got to see the nuke sites that didn't (officially) exist, and even got to sneak a message to Mordechai Vanunu where he was imprisoned.

Thanks to the Greek Orthodox church we got to celebrate Christmas Eve in the Church of the Nativity, with a full military escort and real Shin Bet bodyguards. That was an unexpected treat!

I saw that too, but the camps that I saw had their own separate security fences. They were a strange mix of POW camp and refugee camp, with men, women and children in some. The one just outside of Jerusalem was segregated for adult male political prisoners.

LOL...yes, I know. We were briefed on that. Right now I really wish I had the photos to show as proof of what I say. But you understand why that is not possible.

 

I'd say that the operative word is "deliberate". The Nazi persecution of European Jews was a deliberate act, as was the Israeli persecution of Palestinian Arabs. And while that rationalization may be excuse enough for you, it was not for the World Court. And after seeing it for myself, I'm on the World Court's side.

You sure do have a lot of excuses and reasons to do nothing. Clearly you're on the side of appeasement. I'm not. When the victim becomes the predator, something should be done to defend the innocents, and stop the cycle of violence, full stop.

 

There is a deliberate Israeli policy of near-starvation of the people of Gaza:

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/...010/588-qput-the-palestinians-on-a-dietq.html

However, there is a world of difference between that and what the Nazis did.

 

Are they starving?
Are they in need of medical attention and not getting it?
Are they being murdered?
Are the being deprived of the basic needs of life?
Are sons and daughters jailed for thirty years without trial?
Can they farm there food without interference of being murdered?
Can they harvest there food without interference of being murded?
Your nazi friends fail each and ever test.

And as for harvesting, only body parts of Palestinians captured by the IDF to sell on world wide auctions, but the families do get what's not sold.... Back to bear the costs of the funeral! Caring sharing. Nazis.

Highlander

 

Who said that an offense must reach "final solution" proportions to be considered a crime?

 

To avoid semantics, yes to all of those. Nevertheless, it's disingenuous to make comparisons to the Nazis.

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I'm certainly not. I'm not sure what your point is.

 

Now are you now arguing that Israel is involved in systematic genocide against the Palestinians? Try to calm your temper down and stop making accusations at people you know nothing about.

You claimed that Israel had Concentration camps just like the Nazi one's you had seen. Prove that.

 

My point is that you and others are inferring that if it's not as bad as what happened in Nazi Germany, then it's all good and shame on everyone sounding the alarm.

I disagree. I believe that wrong is wrong, and that nobody deserves a free pass just because their crimes aren't the worst in known history. It's bad enough to take action. It has been bad enough for way too long.

 

Now that you're resorting to lies and character assassination, and have no issues to present, you have lost your argument.

 

The kind of thinking that results from taking massive doses of LSD over an extended period of time.

 

I'm not here to pander to those who readily accept the orders in which they are willing to follow and carry out.
You have a responsibility to stand for the concepts of the human race love honour and duty, not the filth that lot readily follow for greed and avarice.
It the suit fits wear it!
Regards
Highlander

 

Of course it's not as bad as what happened in Nazi Germany because the Holocaust involved the industrialized and systematic attempt at wiping out an entire group of people along with other 'undesirables' such as trade unionists, gays, lesbians, disabled, communists, Roma and artists. There is no comparison in history. As absolutely terrible as the situation for the Palestinian's is, what it is NOT is a Holocaust. So I'm not claiming that it's not wrong. On the contrary, it's totally wrong and one of the greatest acts of criminality in modern times but it's not comparable to the Holocaust - nothing is.

 

You lot did pretty well in a very short time in Iraq, a production line, no less, and still working!

Highlander

 

Yes, I agree I do have a responsibility and I do my best. You know nothing of my life.

 

I'm from the UK. I was totally opposed to the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq which was an act of illegality and I think that Blair and Bush ought to be banged up for it. I was one of the two million who demonstrated against the war in London in February, 2003. Is that good enough for you?

 

Sorry I meant if the suit fits, the behaviour of the nazis was abhorrent, why can the Talmud Zionist be called anything less for the same deeds.
If that suit fits those, let them wear it as did the Jews and the Star of David on there clothes, let them be known for what they are!
These reprobates hide behind the Jews and they the Orthodox Jew will have nothing to do with them, they have broken there gods promise!

But you'll get none to answer the question!

Regards
Highlander

 

You are such a baby and a cry baby at that. I am asking you about what you said. I have seen a few of your posts here. Doubt if you will last long. You have no ability to discuss.

Now you were called out on identifying both Nazi and Israel Concentration camps as the same. That is what this is all about. You could have just said. I made a mistake. But oh no big ego did not make a mistake. Now you start actually denying what you said before.

You have been pulled up solely for saying you saw Nazi Concentration camps in Israel. My question regarding whether you believed that Israel was in a scheduled genocide of the Palestine's was in relation to what you said in the post I was replying to as it seemed like that.

You could have let go of this long ago. My post was written long ago. I did not have the attitude you thought when I wrote it. I answered you. You replied but you simply cannot admit when you are wrong. Prove that there are Nazi style concentration camps in Israel or admit your mistake. Try and be a man for once.