Francis Confronted by Elderly Orthodox Priest

It has some truth, but as some wise say, many are called, but few hear it.

You are talking to one who has had his apotheosis, and give your saying some credence, for the few.

The Great teacher does not hunt seekers of wisdom and knowledge.

The student is the one who knows what his specialty wants to be.

Remember our dualistic reality is always in play.

Regards
DL

 

Whatever your pet peeve is.

What makes your pen flow to negative thoughts.

Some might be ecology minded. Either side.
I have a pet peeve against discrimination without a just cause.
A friend has one against butts on the sidewalks.

We mostly all have a pet peeve and they come out when drinking at any gathering.

If you do not have one, seems I might do.

Regards
DL

 

What did I write that you perceived as negative? Keep in mind there is a difference between telling something sad and having a pity party. I am not impacted emotionally in talking about my childhood abuse because somebody, somewhere will read my posts and know they are not alone. I never had that privilege and that's I volunteered as a child abuse advocate.

 

It's very difficult for someone to argue morals when they do not have any of their own.

Do you misogynistically attack women often or only on the internet?

 

Good.

I am not mean. I am a bully against homophobes and the misogynous.

Spoiler Alert.

The nice guys first insult.

Kiss my ass for that, child.

Verses for the best father.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

I hold them to my standard of reciprocity and expect them to hold to theirs and walk their talk like I do.

What different standard are you talking about?

The one where Christians forgive god for evil, as in Job and Noah, but sure seem to like to condemn humans for doing a lot less.

All I ask of Christians is to live like good Christians. Like universalist Gnostic Christians.

That way they would have to reject homophobia and misogyny.

If you are not one of those shits, give us an argument against homophobias and misogyny and the religions that promote such evil.

Use better language with the bastards than I do, but make sure that they know they are doing evil.

Regards
DL

 

No offence. Garbage as well.

You seem to have taken it as negative when it was not.

Biases effect how we hear.

An inspirational quote.

I am getting the feeling that we will not collaborate.

Yes, evil has them well in hand and they love to hate so much that they will pick on the weakest of us. Women and gays.

Christians are moral cowards who pray on their weakest innocent members.

Thank God all such religions are in decline.

God people can no longer argue their vile morals without showing the injustice in it.

That is ideological death.

Good riddance.

Regards
DL

 

Show where I do that, lying scumbag, and we can chat about it.

Regards
DL

 

Yes because nothing says "knowing god" and "enlightenment" quite like insulting people and making them angry...

Do you always try so hard to make friends in your religion?

 

You just proved it for me oh enlightened one...

 

I would like to know how I could get away with seeming impunity slinging multiple personal insults around pf and evidently being allowed to do that.....

I mean do you donate a lot of money what is it share your secret with me?

 

If this is your goal...

How does this approach help reach it?

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I wrote: "
What makes you reject <whatever you are rejecting> as absolute but you hold them to a different standard <wanting them to reject what they believe in toward your belief system>?"

You asked...

Your status quo is their deity of choice is evil and teaches them to be homophobic and mysogynistic.

Their status quo is their deity expects obedience <to whatever deity they believe in>.

My status quo is none of it's real and it's a man-made structure designed to control people and leave us constantly feeling inadequate because it's impossible to truly meet those goals which often brings on needless suffering. I am also not homophobic, mysogynistic or racist so I prefer not to be around or engage with people that believe in any of those (or other) forms of discrimination.


Your stated goal - calling them out for believing <whatever> requires them to place your ideals above their own and, simultaneously refusing to abandon your position to place theirs higher than you own.

I don't know any Christians (or anybody that practices another religion) who are not judgmental and/or hypocritical so I don't find it relevant to pay attention to whatever they think gives them the right to hold anybody else to their self-righteous ruler of everybody who doesn't believe what they believe and nobody needs a book to tell them to not be a jerk. Well, they shouldn't need one.

Here's the problem. Again, you want them to accept your position as absolutely correct and hate that they don't because it causes them to hold opinions that you disagree with. That's the exact same thing they are doing.

No, it doesn't mean that. A person that believes any sexual relationship outside of heterosexual people is a sin are going to feel that way no matter what religion or no religion they believe in.

A person that believes that women are inferior to men are going to feel that way no what religion or no religion they believe in.

It's not the religious belief. It's the individual's choice.

Do you honestly believe that everyone that follow universalist Gnostic Christians don't have any biases against homosexual or women (or different races)? I assure you there are. Nobody believes EVERYTHING about the religious teachings they follow. As in most things, they just pay attention to the stuff they want to pay attention to and ignore the rest. That's why people are always butting heads with one another and all of it is OPINIONS.

I mentioned before that I was brought up Catholic. I had a cousin (He died of COVID in January) who is gay. When we were kids, I knew that he was gay but he was too young to have figured it out for himself at that point. The rest of our family loved him, but I was the only one that didn't make him feel like crap for being gay. His sexual preference is none of my business (and it's not anybody else's business unless they are in a sexual relationship with him). We lost touch but about 7 years before he passed he told me that he really appreciated that I was always kind to him with no judgments. I had no reason not to be kind to him and I try to be kind to everyone (with a few subgroups of society I won't deal with).

Are you asking me if I'm homophobic and/or misogynistic? No. I'm not racist either. It's all stupid and life is hard enough without trying to get in other people's personal lives.

The cousin I mentioned faced our whole family's (as a whole) hurtful opinions about his sexuality and believed that he was going to burn in hell for all eternity for being gay. I believed that he will die like all of us die and nobody knows the hell really happens, but I feel confident in saying that it's none of my business. That's between him and whatever God/gods he believes in or doesn't believe in. Needless to say, the family labels me as crazy because I don't walk around being hateful and judgmental. I didn't care then and I still don't care. Nobody is going to force me to be hateful to people and it doesn't do anything to elevate our interpersonal relationships with one another. I don't have the energy to waste on all that negativity.

That wasn't my intent. I don't have an opinion on it in either direction.

 

Why would I want to make friends of people who knowingly discriminate against women and gays without a just cause?

I want moral friends, not the vile immoral people you favor.

Regards
DL

 

Tell the truth, and you won't have a problem.

When the mods see believers run away from moral discussions, they know they have a reason to run.

Regards
DL

 

We were talking gays. Not extra marital affairs.

Either way, they are none of my business or yours.

Gays are better adjusted than homophobes as they put love above sex andf gender while homophobes put sex and gender above love.

Shove your kind of vile Christian where the sun don't shine, where they belong.

Regards
DL

 

I didn't mention extramarital affairs. What are you referring to?

I agree. Remember, I'm the one in the conversation that isn't homophobic, misogynistic or racist?

Homosexual people aren't better adjusted than any other permutation of adult sexual relationships. However, I do agree that homosexual people, non-white people and non-Christian people tend to be more resilient and tolerant simply because their journey in a homophobic, racist, Christian society has forced them to be.

You're not really getting the whole thing about not being <censoring myself>, are you?

Again, I'm an atheist.
Again, I'm not homophobic.
Again, I'm not misogynistic.
Again, I'm not racist.

This will be the last time I respectfully ask you to stop being obnoxious. If you can't treat me with the same respect by which I treat you, that's a you problem and I want no part of it.

 

If your idea of morals is to sit there and sling personal insults towards other people, and the so-called morals you ascribe to are completely worthless.


And don't act like you're some friend to homosexuals I've seen you sit here and make homosexual shaming jokes towards others.

You're as fake as the day is long you're not fooling anyone

 

I guess that is the disagreement at hand, it seems to me, in Christianity, a heresy is "the formal denial or doubt of a core doctrine of the Christian faith as defined by one or more of the Christian churches" (source) (although I'm sure there are variations in the usage as well). At least, that is what I meant when I said what I said, if you have another interpretation, that doesn't seem to have anything to do with my post.

I agree, not every contradiction is a heresy, as in the definition above, only contradictions of "core" doctrines. It seems to me the doctrines of papal infallibility, and the doctrines that have been promulgated using papal infallibility would be such core doctrines though.