Why does free will require choosing your choices? I'm not omnipotent. I can't control reality. You seem to be running into the same problem as AKR, you seem to think that free will must be absolute. On the contrary, free will cannot be absolute unless one is a being that is both omnipotent and omniscient. However, partial free will is still free will.
So you admit you are not the author of your thoughts but then who is? More importantly if you are not the author of your thoughts how can you use them to choose what to act on and what to ignore? Are there two different pools of thoughts? One that arises in the mind as you describe and another that you freely will into being? Oh and why give me what I ask for so the conversation can continue only to suggest I leave it?
Huh? You're not really addressing the questions. If brain structure does not determine choices, why is it that autism and FASD exist? This defies your claim. These unwilled factors would not result in them making "unwise" choices if unwilled factors did not dictate choices.
Correct. If the outcome is known ahead of time how could you chose? It is your destiny. Destiny or fate is a predetermined course of events.[1] It may be conceived as a predetermined future, whether in general or of an individual. It is a concept based on the belief that there is a fixed natural order to the cosmos.
If the outcome is already known, it can be chosen freely by the one who doesn't know the outcome. But to the one who planned the outcome it is not free will.
yes, there are the thoughts that arise from the unconscious and thoughts that I consciously have in reaction to my six senses. and I didn't suggested you leave if you feel this conversation can go nowhere as I don't see the point of you wasting your own time. - - - Updated - - - because their ability to analayze their choices is impaired
If you do not choose your choices or even why you want to choose one over the other how can you have any free will at all? This is why it is called the illusion of free will and its very strong. In fact after everything is said an done I will continue the rest of my day as if I'm an agent of free will oddly enough because I have no choice in the matter. How you choose between those two choices you have is something that wasn't determined by "you".
Is it impaired by something they willed into existence? Or was that an unwilled force that impaired their ability to properly analyze things?
Ok so the thoughts that you consciously have in reaction to your six senses where did they come from? Did you create them of your own free will or were the created by your experiences?
So, their ability to reason and behave in a particular way is changed by an unwilled factor. Correct?
their ability top reason is affected. nothing stops them from behaving in any way they decide to behave.
You're contradicting yourself. You say their reasoning is affected/impaired, but then you say nothing is stopping them from behaving in any certain way. If everyone who is subjected to certain amounts of alcohol during their fetal development behave in a particular way, then where is their decision in that? The specific difference in behavior was determined before their brain was even developed. So how is any difference in behavior their choice? If people determine their behavior, how can FASD exist? If people determine their own behavior, then alcohol would have no effect in or out of the womb.
don't put words in my mouth pal. I said nothing is stopping them from making choices. whether those choices are reasonable or even rational doesn't alter the fact that they are freely made choices.
So, ones upbringing is irrelevant to their behavior as an adult? That would be news to thousands of scientists. - - - Updated - - - I'm not putting any words in your mouth. You're just poorly communicating those words and I'm going off of that. It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about, so I'm going to do something worth while. You just brush off pretty much any point that is made and parrot your same lines.
of course its not irrelevant. but it doesn't create. and you did put words in my mouth pal. and if you want to continue doing so then ill leave you two to continue this discussion. and as to what I am talking about? I could say exactly the same thing about you. kinda unproductive.
just give it up.....its like talking to a sixth grader. "uh huh"...."'cause I said so"...."uh huh"....etc.
Interesting because scientists have done many conclusive studies where they can tell which arm a person will raise or what button they will push up to seven seconds before the subject is consciously aware of what they are doing. In fact the majority of your everyday physical activities are decided before you have "chosen" to do it. But again that still doesn't answer my question.
