French genocide law: President Sarkozy orders new draft

litwin · Mar 10, 2012

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I thank too most of its true, but to tell the truth I dont like copy paste messages.

All groups in Turkey have democratic demands and they all have complaints.

Lets think about Prime Minister and even President of Turkey wife of both have hijap, they're in power of the country for the last 10 years but a woman cant get into parliament with hijap or girls cant get into universities with it. Mr Erdoğan sent her daughter outside of country for uni. education.

I dont expect state power to be in good relation with Alevis neither in AKP rule nor CHP, sunnis had always been in control of Turkey in the history. The reason for Alevis to support new republic and Fatherturk comes from the freedoms of democracy came after the end of empire rule.

Alevis could only live in villages never practice their beliefs, massacres were common during empire period.

Now everyone can safely carry signs of Alevis society on their neck and practice their belief in cities. Thanks to Fatherturk and democracy. Alevis know it and thats why they love him, there is always a statue in the entrance of Cemevis and alevi dedes kiss the shoes of the statue.

By the way the reason for Turkey's shortcoming on personal freedoms is because of the role it played during the cold war and the fragile situation of being the only country which has 99% muslim population and a secular democracy at the same time.
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it was very classy article, then "Fatherturk and democracy" are you crazy?you call Juntas deep state for a democracy?

2) what exactly you get from antidemocratic regime? right to live, is it enough for you?

3) still. new when Ottomans got almost absolute power (senx to juntas constitution, and demographic explosion ) maybe its time to change strategy?

4) what do think about autonomy for Alevis ?

litwin · Mar 10, 2012

The changes in Turkish society forced by Ataturk's secularisation drive resulted in deep changes in the Alevi community. Their traditional social-religious organisation broke down, and religion itself seemed to weaken as the younger generation adopted leftist and Marxist attitudes. However this did not mean the loss of ethnic identity, but rather a reinterpretation of their religious idiom and group-defining criteria in socio-political terms. Their adoption of "progressive" ideologies opened the way for alliances with other, non-Alevi, "progressive" groups, as well as for a universalization of their unique Alevi doctrines, now seen as an expression of the universal human search for equality and social justice and freedom from oppression and exploitation.

Whilst the younger generation seemed to have lost its religious traditions, and many observers claimed Alevis were being assimilated into the total Turkish society, the last two decades have seen a revival of specific Alevi identity, fuelled by Alevi revival in the West (especially Germany), and by the resurgence of Islamic Sunni fundamentalism in Turkey, which has endangered the secularist Kemalist orientation of the state, and increased attacks on Alevis in press, media, and street violence. Alevis are now reconstructing their religious traditions, doctrines and organisations as well as demanding a fair share of access to the state and its resources as a separate religious/ethnic community in Turkey.

The question for the Turkish state and its leaders is whether they can reconstruct a national Turkish identity that does not base itself solely on the Sunni element of society, but is secularist and pluralistic enough to accept Alevism (and Kurdism) as equal partners in the national formula, with legitimate expressions of their cultural and religious uniqueness and equal access to all state resources and power centres. This entails the use of the state and all its organs in a massive construction of a pan-national consensus on this identity, which would label as illegitimate any attacks on the former marginalised groups.

A continuation of the present trend to add only the Turkish-Sunni element to the Kemalist-secularist identity, and crush all other autonomous identities, will ensure Turkey a long and violent internal struggle which will weaken the state, damage its international relations, and might in the long-term lead to its disintegration.
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....nice article http://www.angelfire.com/az/rescon/ALEVI.html

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