French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

At least the Americans allow free discussions, how much longer is questionable.
Jews are very sensitive when it comes to their own dead people. They feel it is an insult to them denying the so called holocaust. I wouldn't like it either if the Russians or Americans would lie about the millions of German girls and women brutally raped by their troops. They neither acknowledge nor deny their guilt. Too bad Germany has those atrocities not declared as a holocaust and demanded reparations and an apology. Neither has Japan, where also mass rapes by the Americans occurred. Because both countries lost, therefore they have no rights and no protection, just abuse and exploitations to the bare bones.

 

Your vulgar, hate filled & fact free tantrums are all the same.
You repeatedly rail against some imaginary straw man "...holocaust denying, jew hating, nazi apologists...." but can refute none of the holocaust myths I've debunked, and have yet to provide any evidence of of my being a "jew hating, nazi apologist" after repeated requests to produce just one Post in which I have made any "jew hating, nazi apologist" comments.
In other words, you're willing to lie about others, you're certainly willing to lie to promote a false narrative.

Yes, I believe that the holocaust happened, I simply do not believe the fraudulent embellishments, inflated numbers & proven hoaxes added by the profit driven Holocaust Industry to monopolize the universal suffering of many as exclusive Jewish property.
To suggest that one horrific incident is more profound than the 20th century's numerous mass tragedies simply because Jews were a target exemplifies the basest form of elitist racism.

 

It is said that "Time heals all" & I think that the war crimes committed by the Allies are now more openly discussed by British & American writers & historians than ever before.
Yes, it does seem unfair that the bulk of WW2 blame fell on Germany when so many others eagerly participated in atrocities throughout Europe & the world but, as it is commonly known, the victors write the history.
It may be a small consolation that because of Germany's generosity, it is regarded as the most popular country in the world:

“BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bb...tions-1.525890

EXCERPT“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”CONTINUED

 

In spite of numerous posts, you have still not been able to refute anything I've stated or explain what refusing to believe certain outrageous, unproven & grisly facets of holocaust lore has to do with "Jew hatred", "neo Nazism" or "...all kinds of hatred and prejudice ."

“Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php
EXCERPTS:
• Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

• William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

• Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

• Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

• Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

• Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED

 

German Holocaust deniers rally for Ursula Haverbeck 90th's birthday:
(sorry, no English subtitles)
Ursula Haverbeck was jailed for repeatedly denying the HC over decades.
The whole thing is very spooky. HC deniers think they're freedom fighters for Germany.

 

I know of no one who does not believe that Communists, Jews, the Roma and others were persecuted, placed in work camps & in some cases, executed.
Especially toward the end of the war with the destruction of civilian infrastructure, supply lines etc, everyone in Germany was suffering from starvation & disease but the primary killer in the work camps was typhus & related diseases. Over 14,000 inmates died of typhus in Bergen Belsen after liberation by the British however not one of the thousands of autopsies showed death by gassing nor has a single homicidal gas chamber of the hundreds required to kill "millions of people" been found.

Additionally, intercepted German radio transmissions make absolutely no mention of mass executions and, if anything, show a German concern for inmate well being(1). Predictably, this fact is among the many that has been repressed because it conflicts with a profit driven agenda.

Unfortunately, to this day, no one has been able to calmly & clearly explain why refusing to believe some of the impossible claims made by what Norman Finkelstein calls "The Holocaust Industry" or why independent thought concerning holocaust lore is more heinous than questioning any other of innumerable greater or equal tragedies throughout history.

It is an irrefutable fact that fraudulent Holocaust Industry profiteers have been caught intentionally deceiving gullible individuals with fake "human skin lampshades", fake "human soap", shrunken heads, deliberately altered photos & fake documents. Countless internationally published & highly praised "holocaust survivor" stories have been exposed as complete frauds as well as innumerable false claims made(2), (3).

It is my view that all human lives are equally valuable & far more lives have been taken in other horrific mass killings however only the Conference on Jewish Material Claims against Germany has succeeded in extracting $Billions from Germany, other countries & entities around the world & succeeded in making "holocaust denial" (whatever that is) illegal in 14 countries.

I feel that the State sponsored, persecution & elder abuse inflicted on Ursula Haverbeck & others is only frightening in that those who torment her more closely resemble the Nazis than individual citizens who express opinions about the nature of their crimes.
The truth welcomes the sunlight of honest examination & open discussion but a profit driven lie that survives only under the darkness of totalitarian "holocaust denial" laws forfeits any right to credibility.

Thanks


(1) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE” by Nicholas Kollerstrom
https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED



(2) "Seventeen Charged With Holocaust Fraud"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/seventeen-charged-with-holocaust-fraud
EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors in Manhattan charged 17 people involved in a massive Holocaust reparations racket that led to the payment of $42.5 million in bogus claims to ineligible applicants. The money came from a fund created for Holocaust survivors and administered by the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany. Administrators were supposed to examine and verify the claims, but instead helped phony applicants forge documents in exchange for portions of the payouts."CONTINUED


(3) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

 

WOW... 10 000!!! That is fantastic. If I was able to, I, too, would have gone there and show my support for her. She has become an icon for the German Nation. Unafraid and courageous she holds to her belief that Auschwitz was NOT an extermination camp, but a work camp, and nobody was gassed there.

On May 12th, 1945, a few months after the liberation of Auschwitz, a Soviet State Commission reported that not less than four million people were murdered there. This number was displayed at the Auschwitz State Museum until 1991, when it was lowered to 1.1 million.
So, what happened? Can't the Russians count? Or did they decide that 4 Million was too outrageous a number and hard to believe?

But never mind the holocaust, what is so outrageous now, is, the Germans incarcerate a ninety (90!!!) year old lady for her own personal opinion concerning certain happenings during WWII. That's all! THAT is her crime!!!
I hope she will be able to put her whole experiences with the German justice system into a book, so that future generations will be able to learn the truth about these crazy shenanigans going on in the "most favored, most liked country in the world - Germany!"

 

Since the number of people who do not believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) far outnumber those relative few who do...
And...
... younger generations are less inclined to believe the the SHN than older generations,(1) it is very likely that the countries comprising those 14 alleged democracies must come to their senses and soon reject the selective enforcement of this totalitarian persecution for exercising the most basic right of freedom of speech.

Since a society is judged by how it treats its weaker members, future historians will not look kindly on such a selectively outraged, thuggish Holocaust Industry or the craven bureaucrats complicit in criminal & cowardly mass elder abuse.



(1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

- Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

- people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED

 

Younger than 65, that would be the second and third generation after the holocaust, like my children and my grandchildren. I can tell you, they have no foggy idea of reality of the Second WW and are barely interested, except for getting a passing mark in History, maybe.

Let's draw a line under the Holocaust, say Germans: 80% want to put the 'history of persecution of the Jews behind them'

In Germany 68 percent want their lawmakers to stop weapons exports to Tel Aviv. Last year a submarine costing half a billion pounds was delivered to the Israeli navy.

• Study was conducted to gauge current German-Israeli relations
• In Israel less than one in four people wanted to draw line under Holocaust

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ns-80-want-history-persecution-Jews-them.html

 

That extreme right-wing rally in Bielefeld was 400 strong, not 10,000, counter-demonstrators were around 6,000.
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bielefeld-demonstration-101.html
https://www.nw.de/lokal/bielefeld/m...izei-bei-Nazi-Demonstration-in-Bielefeld.html
https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/wes...onen-bielefeld-buendnis-gegen-rechts-100.html

Ursula Haverbeck is in no way an 'icon for the German nation', that's just nonsense. She's been in the media sporadically here and there, but is not even remotely as well-known as her followers would like her to be.

 

Sure, but for German neo-Nazis she's something like a martyr.
Neo-Nazis are crazy people, something like a religious sect who believes in lots of irrational bullshit.

@Grau
I know that lots of nonsense was told about the Holocaust, which in retrospect helped HC deniers.
I also know that German citizens and solders suffered much during WW2.
But this has nothing to do with Hitler's intentional and industrial mass murder of Jews, mostly by gassing and shooting them.
The Holocaust is a historical fact. It makes no sense to deny it.
Better concentrate on its abuse by Zionists and other political charlatans.

 

Sorry they don't get that luxury.

 

I am very saddened that you are not allowed to question any aspect of the standard holocaust narrative by law and must say that: "it happened" by law or face imprisonment and/or fines.
If, as you say, "...lots of nonsense was told about the Holocaust,...", why would the Holocaust Industry with an established history of deceptions suddenly stop lying?

Earlier claims of mass executions by electrocution allegedly "happened" but was debunked.
Earlier claims of mass executions by steam allegedly "happened" but, they too were debunked.
Earlier claims of mass executions by fire pit allegedly "happened" but that, too, has been debunked
It's just a matter of time before the myth of mass gassings is also accepted as a lie as not one homicidal gas chamber of the hundreds required to gas millions of people has been found in drawings, photos, blueprints or as an actual structure.

I simply don't trust individuals or entities that have a proven history of lying for an insatiable profit driven agenda and am obviously far from alone as far more people do not believe the standard holocaust narrative than do.

I lived, worked & studied in Germany in the mid 1970s and had the opportunity to talk at length with hundreds of WW2 survivors of various nationalities & ethnic groups. Some of these people had been in some of the infamous "death camps" but made no mention of mass executions or homicidal gas chambers and some were simply German soldiers who were only fighting for their country & to protect each other.
A neighbor of mine who was a White Russian (vs Red) was a woman who had been captured by all the major armies and reported that she was treated best by the Germans.
Briefly put, I simply don't believe that the Germans were any more cruel , genocidal or barbaric than any of the other parties involved in WW1 or WW2.

Re:

In addition to extensive Zionist - Nazi complicity, among the many reasons not to believe the standard holocaust narrative is the unnatural ease & rapidity with which the persecuted quickly became the persecutors.

The outrageous atrocities committed by Jewish terrorist gangs during the Nakba(1) and subsequent decades of systematic ethnic cleansing via Israel's "Provoke-then-Massacre" M.O.(2) are hardly consistent with the scolding admonishment to the rest of the world to "Never Forget".

There is absolutely no denying that Palestine's native residents have been massacred, their homes & property stolen and many of them herded into the world's biggest open air concentration camp, Gaza, at the same time the Holocaust Industry continues to extort $Billions in reparations that rarely makes it to deserving holocaust survivors who are derisively called "soap" by Israelis.

Thanks,

(1) "Zionist Massacres against Palestinians"
https://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/massac2.htm

"DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE"

EXCERPT "A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself - the mopping up - as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished of with knives. Women's bellies were cut open and babies were butchered inthe hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of them 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. 52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off. The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops knew of the massacre while it was going on, however, no one intervened to stop it."CONTINUED


(2) "Moshe Dayan, in his diaries said: "Our strategy was always to provoke the Arabs and get an appropriate response so we could attack and smash them."

http://www.sott.net/signs/signs154.htm

 

(2) "Moshe Dayan, in his diaries said: "Our strategy was always to provoke the Arabs and get an appropriate response so we could attack and smash them."

http://www.sott.net/signs/signs154.htm[/QUOTE]

Defeating an enemy, compelling them to surrender and sue for peace has always been a very effective war strategy.

Don't you find it odd that for the 75 years of its existence Israel has never executed that strategy - assuming it ever was their strategy?

 

And WHO are you to decide that?

 

Defeating an enemy, compelling them to surrender and sue for peace has always been a very effective war strategy.

Don't you find it odd that for the 75 years of its existence Israel has never executed that strategy - assuming it ever was their strategy?[/QUOTE]The 98%(?) Zionists in Israel don't want peace. That should be clear to any observer.

 

The 98%(?) Zionists in Israel don't want peace. That should be clear to any observer.[/QUOTE]

So you believe that Israel's strategy was to remain engaged in war with Arabs for 75 years? How does that benefit Israel?

 

I don't think that the present, ruthless & illegal Occupation & ethnic cleansing of historic Palestine can in any sense be called a "War" as Palestine's native residents have no Army, Navy, Air Force.

Meanwhile, the Israeli occupiers routinely provoke Palestinian demonstrations via their criminal & internationally condemned Settlement Policy, aka land theft, home destruction etc.

If the Israel wanted peace, they would stop provoking them by stealing Palestinian land.
The current Israeli government prefers perpetuating hostilities so that it can systematically exterminate Palestinians by the thousands as in Operation Cast Lead, Operation Pillar of Cloud, Operation Cutting Edge etc.
That's their ethnic cleansing M.O., "Provoke-then-Massacre", while, at the same time, confining Gazans inside of a blockaded ghetto for the use of Israel's experimentation of weapons' systems.(1)
How quickly the persecuted become the world's most ruthless foreign funded persecutors

Finally, if you would like to discuss Israel - Palestine further, I would be happy to do so in the appropriate forum section.

Thanks,



(1) “The Lab”: Israel Tests Weapons, Tactics On Captive Palestinian Population
https://www.wrmea.org/2013-septembe...actics-on-captive-palestinian-population.html

EXCERPT "“The Lab,” which won a recent award at DocAviv, Israel’s documentary Oscars, is due to premiere in the U.S. in August. Directed by Yotam Feldman, the film presents the first close-up view of Israel’s arms industry and the dealers who have enriched themselves.

The title relates to the film’s central argument: that Israel has rapidly come to rely on the continuing captivity of Palestinians in what are effectively the world’s largest open-air prisons.

The reason is that there are massive profits to be made from testing Israeli military innovations on the more than four million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank."CONTINUED

 

So you believe that Israel's strategy was to remain engaged in war with Arabs for 75 years? How does that benefit Israel?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I got befuddled with my last Post... quoting myself. Chalk it up to old age!!!

Nevertheless, yes, fighting for 75 years has helped the Zionists enormously: They got not only the allotted land, but also occupied the West Bank and the Golan Heights; they managed to become the third or fourth mightiest military power in the world; they have managed to arouse pity across the world and get gifts and money to build even more settlements on stolen land, but also own the latest and greatest in deadly weapons, including a fair amount of nuclear bombs. They always portray themselves as the poor victims, thus generating even more donations. And last but not least they hide behind the violence to have unlimited reasons to destroy more Palestinians and confiscate more land. It has further provided them a reason to bomb Syria and kill Syrians. They have undercover murdered Iranian scientists. Also under cover they murdered Hariri of Lebanon. All that is on top of exploiting and controlling the USA who fights the bigger wars for them!
Sharon: "We control America!"

 

That's not true. Denying Nazi crimes (such as the Holocaust) is forbidden in Germany only in certain circumstances, for example, if it threatens public peace. But it's okay in an US discussion board, as long as the webmaster allows it.

German authorities can't stop me from denying the HC on the internet. We don't live in a rogue state like Russia.

Several years ago, I was on the way becoming a Holocaust denier. But scriptures and behavior of the stars of the scene took me away from it. They're implausible and dubious. These guys are the real liars, not the historians they want to fight.

 

I have no idea what Israel really wants. But the only strategy that could have generated peace would have involved the complete defeat, occupation and pacification of all the nations at war with Israel. Withdrawal only after negotiating a comprehensive peace treaty.
You know the kind of approach that liquidated the German Nazi dictatorship, and the Japanese Fascist dictatorship.

Israeli foreign policy has never made much sense to me.

 

Sorry, I got befuddled with my last Post... quoting myself. Chalk it up to old age!!!

Nevertheless, yes, fighting for 75 years has helped the Zionists enormously: They got not only the allotted land, but also occupied the West Bank and the Golan Heights; they managed to become the third or fourth mightiest military power in the world; they have managed to arouse pity across the world and get gifts and money to build even more settlements on stolen land, but also own the latest and greatest in deadly weapons, including a fair amount of nuclear bombs. They always portray themselves as the poor victims, thus generating even more donations. And last but not least they hide behind the violence to have unlimited reasons to destroy more Palestinians and confiscate more land. It has further provided them a reason to bomb Syria and kill Syrians. They have undercover murdered Iranian scientists. Also under cover they murdered Hariri of Lebanon. All that is on top of exploiting and controlling the USA who fights the bigger wars for them!
Sharon: "We control America!"[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I got befuddled with my last Post... quoting myself. Chalk it up to old age!!!

Nevertheless, yes, fighting for 75 years has helped the Zionists enormously: They got not only the allotted land, but also occupied the West Bank and the Golan Heights; they managed to become the third or fourth mightiest military power in the world; they have managed to arouse pity across the world and get gifts and money to build even more settlements on stolen land, but also own the latest and greatest in deadly weapons, including a fair amount of nuclear bombs. They always portray themselves as the poor victims, thus generating even more donations. And last but not least they hide behind the violence to have unlimited reasons to destroy more Palestinians and confiscate more land. It has further provided them a reason to bomb Syria and kill Syrians. They have undercover murdered Iranian scientists. Also under cover they murdered Hariri of Lebanon. All that is on top of exploiting and controlling the USA who fights the bigger wars for them!
Sharon: "We control America!"[/QUOTE]

Read again, this was my reply: "So you believe that Israel's strategy was to remain engaged in war with Arabs for 75 years? How does that benefit Israel?"

I think Israels foreign policy, with the significant exception of its peace treaty with Egypt, has been a confused disaster.

 

I appreciate your participation in discussing a topic that must make you at least a little uncomfortable since your government forbids all but one opinion. I will admit that if I were currently living in Germany, I would be uncomfortable expressing anything but the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) on an open forum like this because I would still be violating German law.

Yes, the German authorities cannot stop you from holocaust "denial" but you have a far greater chance of unpleasant consequences for doing so than I.

Firstly, I don't deny that homosexuals, Communists, Jews, the Roma and other perceived enemies of the State were rounded up and placed in internment or work camps where many were executed and or abused. I simply believe that typhus & related diseases was the primary killer especially near the end of the war when German supply lines were destroyed and no food or medicine was available.
Typhus continued to plague the work camps long after liberation as 14,000 died in Bergen Belsen after the British took control of the camp.

However, like most of the rest of mankind,(1) I don't believe that the hundreds of homicidal gas chambers needed to "systematically exterminate" "millions of people existed & I don't believe that 6 million Jews were exterminated because of the impossibility of the task & complete absence of even one homicidal gas chamber.

I hope you'll read the source I cited below (1) as I believe even fewer people honestly believe the SHN than claimed because of persecution of so called "Holocaust Deniers" by democratic governments, JDL Brownshirts, Universities(2) & other selectively outraged entities.

Finally, please explain more specifically what you mean by:

I don't focus on the personalities involved in today's debate about that horrific facet of WW2 as I do on the practical realities, evidence on hand and conspicuous absences of hard evidence.

Thanks,


(1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

- Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

- people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


(2)

 

I have a pretty good idea what Israel wants as Trump's puppet master (1) made the true nature of the US -Israeli alliance perfectly clear not too long ago:

Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html


I'd be happy to discuss Israel, Palestine, ghosts, blacksmithing, target shooting or anything else at the appropriate thread.

Have a good evening...



(1) "How Netanyahu Pulls Trump’s Strings"
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/15/how-netanyahu-pulls-trumps-strings/

EXCERPTS "Since Sept. 18, when the two men met in New York around the United Nations General Assembly, Netanyahu has been pulling Trump’s strings on almost every foreign policy issue.

Trump further showed that he is following Netanyahu’s marching orders with the extremist speech about Iran on Friday, essentially repeating all the Israeli propaganda lines against Iran and burning whatever bridges remained toward a meaningful diplomatic approach.

Although dressing up his capitulation to Netanyahu in tough-guy phrasing, Trump is doing what most U.S. politicians do – they grovel before Bibi Netanyahu.

And, if you have any doubts about that reality, you can watch how often both Republicans and Democrats jump to their feet whenNetanyahu addresses a joint session of Congress, an honor that he has received three times, tying him with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.

Those moments of American humiliation – as almost all 535 members of Congress act like puppets on invisible strings – represent the actual subservience of the U.S. government to a foreign power. And that power is not Russia."CONTINUED

 

Not really responsive to my post, but it does illustrate the kind of tedious tit for tat that can go on for decades when peoples and nations make war when they can't win.