French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

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  1. Jazz

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    Yes, that is exactly what the author of my posted article writes about... he is actually in possession of these films, and when he years later visited Dachau and bought a book there which was written by former Jewish inmates, denying there were gas chambers and gassings, he remembered these films from 1945. Thus he discovered a massive lie by the American military under Eisenhower.
    These films presented the "absolute truth" to the American people and the world with several endorsements/affidavits of high-ranking people, yet, the Jews who had been incarcerated there stated the opposite! It is common knowledge now that Dachau had no gas chambers and nobody was gassed there.

    SHAME on the Americans to purposely, and going to great lengths to have a Hollywood film crew produce false evidence, lie to the world about the Germans.

    https://mynameisjoecortina.wordpres...able-proof-of-the-biggest-lie-of-the-century/
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    I'm glad to be able at the end of my life to learn about the lies fabricated to demonize the German people, to exploit them without end.
    Eisenhower was known to hate the Germans with a passion. He was also the one who ordered the starvation of millions of German POW, of which my brother was one!!!!
     
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    Apparently you are unaware that far more people do not believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN)(1) than are gullible enough to believe the outrageous impossibilities doled out by profit & fame driven holocaust hucksters.

    If there were any truth to the SHN, you would easily be able to refute the 8 facts I cited in Post # 500 but I have yet to encounter a holocaustian who can do so.

    Yet another well funded SHN source is likely to edify me beyond what I have already learned & certainly not going to refute what I have already written & supported.

    Re:
    That you can show nowhere that I have been untruthful only exposes you as the one doing the "odious lying".

    Set yourself free from an angry & hate filled cult of ghoulish dupes:

    "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/




    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
  3. Jazz

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    O.k., let's see who is stoopider!! I'll start by listing a few facts that I have gathered which should prove the holocaust could not have happened as told and propagated worldwide.

    Fact #1:
    World Almanac for 1947 states that in
    1939
    the world Jewish population was 15,688,259.
    1948 NYT stated world Jewish population was 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
    What happened to the 6 million murdered Jews?

    Fact #2:

    There were no more than 4 million Jews living in areas occupied by the Third Reich at the height of its power. Twenty years after the end of the war, in 1965, the West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money.
    4 000 000 total
    3 375 000 survived
    --------------------------
    = 625 000 died

    Fact #3:
    The International Red Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died. Their audit of December 31, 1984 records a total 282,077 registered deaths of all internees in all German Concentration Camps from all causes.

    Fact #4:

    The Jewish-owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly stated that Soviet Russia had supplied the figure of 4 million Jews having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz." That figure is now down to 1 000 000. The Russian Jews lied.

    Fact #5:
    Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued orders on December 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the concentration camps must be reduced at all costs". The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic and tuberculosis.
    Why save the prisoners if they are to be killed anyway?

    Fact #6:
    The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in 1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"

    Fact #7:
    In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace. Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held Poland. Lies get adjusted!

    Fact #8:
    Simon Wiesenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust Center states April 1975, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil. Yet, the American "liberators" made films in Dachau of "gas chambers", piles of clothing and dead bodies etc

    Fact #9:
    Not one order has been found for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.

    Fact #10:

    Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition.

    Fact #11:

    The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946).

    Fact #12:

    Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to 1943. Forced by the Soviets by torture he confessed to mass gassings, using Zyclon-B gas. Hoess' statement read, "...half an hour after having released the gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines. They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and smoking."
    Zyklon-B is not "ventable". Only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing the workers. Hoess was trying to convey for the after-world that there were no gassings at Auschwitz.

    Fact #13:
    Thies Christophersen, a German soldier and author wrote: "I was at Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."

    Alright, I will stop at # 13. I await factual refutations... no insults.




     
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    You are in denial. It's a mental illness. Get help.

    From Wikipedia - Holocaust Denial

    Excerpt:

    Furthermore, note on the same site - Notable Holocaust Deniers

    Your name on that list ... ?
     
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    Yes, Holocaust Denial a form of mental illness.

    It can be treated, however, with professional help ...
     
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    And mine is that Holocaust Denial is a mental illness.

    From the Oxford Press:
    Holocaust Denial and Hate Speech
    Robert A. Kahn


    Excerpt:
    Iow, denial is a form of mental illness ...
     
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    If you expect any further replies, you will knock off the hysterical slurs & snarky attitude.

    I assume you have not read my previous Posts on this thread or read recent ones closely because nowhere have I said that the holocaust was: "...an enormous joke perpetrated after the war."

    It was one of the more tragic episodes to plague the 1900s but only a single facet of the far more horrific WW2.
    Because those interred in the German work camps included many groups of people of various religions, ethnic groups, nationalities, I do not feel that it is exclusively Jewish "property" nor do I feel that it is any more or less profound than the many other mass tragedies that have occurred through history since all lives, regardless of background, are equally valuable.

    Apparently you are confused about the satire piece from "The Onion" that another Poster thought was real.
    Yes, work / concentration camps were built with crematoria, hospitals, swimming pools, barracks, dental offices etc.
    They were not all constructed over a 24 hour period as the satire article states.
    But since some people believe other outrageous impossibilities about the holocaust, maybe you do believe that all the camps were built in 24 hours.

    Yes, at the end of the war, when Allied destruction of German supply lines made it impossible to supply inmates with food & medicine, all the camps were in their worst shape ever as typhus was so rampant that 14,000 people died of typhus at Bergen Belsen after it was liberated by the British.
    Of all the bodies from the piles of dead typhus victims on which autopsies were done, not one was killed by "gassing".

    Rejecting the profit driven & grossly exaggerated standard holocaust narrative has absolutely nothing to do with hatred of anyone. It is simply a desire for an honest & accurate account of WW2's already grisly history.

    If the German agenda was, as you claim: "...the wanton destruction of the Jewish people.", why did Germany:

    1. Train, arm & deploy 150,000 Jews to serve in Germany's WW2 military, promote some of them to the highest ranks of General / Admiral and award many Germany's highest military honors with the full knowledge & approval of Hitler & the German High command?

    2. Establish the Haavara agreement with the goal settling as many Jews as possible in Palestine?

    3. Allow the German Zionist Federation to help participate in the making of the Nuremberg Race Laws. The German Zionist Federation was just as concerned about preserving Jewish "racial purity" as the Nazis were in preserving "Aryan racial purity?
    It was the German Zionist Federation that prohibited Jews from emigrating to any country other than Palestine as they helped fuel anti Semitism as a means to pressure Jews to move to Palestine.
    I'm sure you've heard the quote from Zionist leader Izaak Greenbaum: "One cow in Palestine is worth all the Jews in Poland"

    Finally, according to the Wannsee Conference, there were 4.5 million Jews under German control at the highest point, however, 4.3 million Jewish claims have been made against Germany for reparations therefore the "6 million Jews exterminated" mantra with which so many have been indoctrinated is complete fiction.
     
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    I worked for 16 years as a Psychiatric Case Worker treating the genuinely mentally ill & am intimately familiar with fearful & weak minded, obsessive conformists who lack the strength & intellect to exercise independent thought in the face of "GroupThink" or Mob mentality.

    Slandering all people who do not believe the standard holocaust narrative as hate filled Neo Nazis, "anti Semites" etc is intellectually dishonest & a logically flawed assumption necessary for the proliferation of a profit driven fraudulent fiction.

    The fact that you cannot refute even one of the facts I submitted in post #500 proves that you know nothing about the topic at hand and cannot support even its most basic falsehoods.

    Cutting and Pasting slanderous falsehoods about independent thinkers generated by well funded Holocaust Industry hucksters fails to refute any of the inconvenient facts that debunk the perverted standard holocaust narrative.
     
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    And it get's treated with getting beaten up, death threats by the ADL, extradited to Germany and locked in German jails??
    Not bad, considering how many they already hanged!
    I see these witch hunts more as a satisfying, prolonged revenge act. But I could be wrong!
     
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    I am not the subject of this discussion! Forget me and concentrate on refuting my 13 facts in post # 523. Please, stay focused, Sir!
     
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    Can you tell me why you think the article is satire? Maybe my English is too bad to understand it.

    There are of course some falsehoods, but that doesn't matter. The evidence is greater.

    No one believes the death camps were built that fast.
    Water in the human body exists in bound form. Muscles have almost 80% water. At a sufficiently high temperature (600 ° C), the human body burns on its own. A really crazy thing is the "Wick Effect": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wick_effect
     
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    Here you can see why this looks like a contradiction.
    http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html

    And I'm pretty sure you already know this page.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not.

    Still, the denial of Nazi WW2 massacres is overwhelming disparaged in the EU.

    I don’t know where you live, but here in France nobody but nobody denies such idiocy …
     
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    Google does not "judge" sites for their content. (Though it makes one helluva fortune of selling "predominant first-page position" to shift readers there!*)

    The site in question obviously has a hidden "bug" on it, placed there by some who did not like its content?

    Go figure - the Web-of-today is both good and bad. Forearmed is s/he forewarned ...

    PS:
    *Anyone wanna make a fortune? Invent a Web-search program that seeks sites according to Web-content that is highly-specified. Meaning one must "program" a search according to specific particularities - which takes some intelligence to do correctly because it is a "try-and-retry-differently" iteration.
    *So the program is certainly not for everybody. You'll make a fortune if you "rent" that specificity, and of course if it works well. All that google/bing do is spit back at you what their web-trawler found given your key-word input. And they are "paid handsomely" by certain cites to do so.
    *For instance, as an example, see here: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-advanced-search-engines-web/ (Note that you must "white-list" the site before entering.)
    *And, no, I have no personal interest in the above mentioned site!
     
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    You very likely are right. There is almost certainly nothing wrong with the site. Ironically when I have come across these before has been when I have been looking for information which Israel would not like me to have. For quite some time I have ignored them if that seems the problem. This is the first time I have come across this though. There obviously is something they can do which makes it read as unsafe. I tried Bing, same happened. Goes well with this thread though. ;)
     
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    Your English is very good but what makes "The Onion" unique is the subtle nature of the satire.

    The premise of the article you cited is that the holocaust is something that happened "overnight" and that there were no restrictions or persecutions of the Roma, Jews etc up until a certain day after all the camps were built in "24 hours". The article makes no mention of Kristallnacht and related persecutions that preceded the internment of real and perceived criminals and threats to the State.

    The article stated clearly: "...sent to concentration camps, which had all been built over the previous 24 hours."(1) which is of course impossible but by citing the article, I assumed you believed all of it.


    I'm afraid that I must still disagree with the idea that "...the human body burns on its own" because, if so, there would be no need for so much fuel to to burn a body at 1,400F - 1,800F and take 2 - 2 1/2 hours to do so.(2)

    Since the cremation ovens of the 1940s were older & less efficient, it would have taken longer to burn one body and more than twice as long to try to burn 2 bodies at once because there is twice as much mass but not twice the surface area.
    As a blacksmith (some people say "artist"), I am intimately familiar with how much coal/coke is needed to heat & burn things.
    As I've mentioned earlier, Allied Air Photos do not show large piles of coal, adequate coal storage structures, railroad tracks to deliver coal/coke or excessive smoke to indicate an extensive amount of cremations at Auschwitz in particular and all the camps, in general.

    Additionally, don't you find it odd that enormous mass graves have been found for every mass killing except the holocaust(3) even though "millions" are claimed to have been executed in specific areas?

    I don't expect to change your mind about a subject you have been taught and even demanded to believe your whole life.
    I only hope to illustrate via my Post #500 that there significant reasons for independent thinkers around the world not to believe the standard holocaust narrative.

    I hope you will notice that refusing to believe impossible claims about the holocaust has nothing to do with repulsive Neo Nazism or genuine anti Semitism. I simply do not believe that the German people behaved any more reprehensibly than anyone else during the 1900s & that they have been accused of atrocities they could not have committed on the scale claimed.

    Thanks,



    (1) "Holocaust Survivors Recall Exact Day Holocaust Started Right Out Of The Blue"
    https://www.theonion.com/holocaust-survivors-recall-exact-day-holocaust-started-1830685498
    EXCERPTS "“We were just minding our own business and everything was totally normal, with no curfew or persecutions or any limits on our rights, and all of a sudden, poof—the Holocaust was in full swing.
    .... but by nightfall people were being grabbed off the street and sent to concentration camps, which had all been built over the previous 24 hours."CONTINUED


    (2) "CHIPMAN FUNERAL HOME"
    https://www.chipmanfuneralhome.ca/questions-and-answers-about-cremation/
    EXCERPT " How long does it take to cremate a body?
    Cremating at the optimum temperature (1,400-1,800 degrees), the average weighted remains takes 2 to 2 ½ hours. Several more hours may be required before the cremated remains are available to the family."CONTINUED


    (1) "Top 10 Mass Graves"
    https://listverse.com/2012/06/15/top-10-mass-graves/
     
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    HEINOUS

    It's all bollocks, and most people understand that since the very beginning Hitler wanted to
    annihilate the Jews. Why?

    Because, in fact, though he had no personal grievance he was fashioning his political career and the hatred/dislike of Jews would help him to get elected. He was an extremely devious individual.

    It was, then just post-WW1, becoming an overtly publicly popular idea. Which has become finally - as a consequence of WW2 and its history - heinous. As should be any such idea/notion of destruction of any people because of their religion.

    PS
    *Excerpt from Hitler's military-career biography, here:
    *For an anti-capitalist, and once in power, he lived the life strangely of a plutocrat. So much for his "profound convictions"! Like most his ilk, convictions vary with prevailing political emotions.
     
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    I live in the US however I have also lived, studied & worked in Germany & elsewhere in Europe. I was in Laos during the Viet Nam War and afterward spent 10 - 11 months walking & hitch hiking throughout the Mid East until I was stuck in S. Lebanon during the '73 War. I then went back to Alsace - Lorraine (Freiburg i. Br.) for more study & extensive bicycle travel.

    While living in Europe in the mid 1970s, I met numerous holocaust survivors whose accounts were vastly different than the grisly stories fabricated by holocaust survivors like the ones listed below(1). Because their numerous accounts refuted the standard holocaust narrative, they were either ignored or harassed & persecuted by the fraudulent, profit driven Holocaust Industry.

    I don't know how you can say that: "...here in France nobody but nobody denies such idiocy …" when the very topic of this thread is about a prominent French historian.
    I think you might be surprised at the large number of people who do not believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) but simply remain quiet to avoid the persecution,(2) slander and other repressive tools of the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry's Thought Police.

    The fact that you cannot refute the facts I've posted on Post #500 simply confirms that that the SHN cannot be true and that rejecting the SHN has nothing to do with promoting neo Nazism or anti Semitism.



    (1) “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED


    (2) QUOTE: "The fastest way to get expelled from a British university is by saying you are looking at chemical evidence for how Zyklon was used in World War II, with a discussion of how debusing technology functioned in the German World War II labour camps "

    — Nicholas Kollerstrom
     

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