French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

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    I don't consider responding to your posts as a waste of time and don't see how I've moved the goalposts by addressing your mistaken assertions throughout this thread.

    The "goalposts" remain my Post #500 which list facts that make the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) impossible.
    I simply don't think that you are aware of my position as I do not deny that the holocaust "happened" or that Jews & others were unjustly persecuted nor have I ever denied that there were piles of bodies found in the camps.
    I think that its only logical & fair to admit that both sides during WW2 engaged in propaganda and that the fabrication & filming of the fraudulent SHN was simply a vengeful extension of war time Allied propaganda.

    Please remember that the same professional Hollywood moviemakers(1) who created props, embellished ghoulish scenes & showcased the grisly camp images are the same fervent propagandists who initiated other gruesome frauds like shrunken heads, "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap" and are maintaining additional fraudulent narratives about "homicidal gas chambers" & "6 million Jews exterminated".



    (1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war."
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/
     
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    Faurrisson is gone but the holocaust is still very much being kept alive:

    French national rail building Holocaust museum at abandoned station
    December 26, 2018

    France’s national rail company allocated $2.3 million toward building a Holocaust museum at one of its abandoned stations.


    Separately, Amsterdam’s GVB transportation company this week announced it “would look into ways to come to terms” with the role of its employees in transporting thousands of Jews to be murdered during the German occupation of the Netherlands. Last month, the Dutch national rail company NS said it would offer compensation to victims.


    The first concentration camp in Nazi-occupied France, Pithiviers station predated the most infamous deportations of French Jews and the murder of Jews en masse in Auschwitz. (?)
    CRIF, the umbrella group of French Jewish communities, will be a partner in designing the museum, the France Info news website reported last week.

    With SNCF’s logistical support, some 16,000 Jews were sent to be murdered in death camps from Pithiviers station and the neighboring camp of Beaune-la-Rolande in eight transports between 1941 and 1943.


    https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/french-national-rail-building-holocaust-museum-at-abandoned-station
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    Compensation for the victims comes a little late, but they might get retroactive payments for the last 80 years.
    Wait a minute... didn't they already get paid by Germany all these years?
    Germany pays for all survivors, no matter what country they are from.
    Who knows, the French and Dutch may have been put under pressure by some Jewish groups, like the Germans recently agreed to pay for the Jewish children who were sent by "Kindertransport" to England mainly. Germany will pay immediately 2500 Euros for 10 000 effected children. It seems they are all still alive! Jewish longevity is legendary!

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    The German government has agreed to make a one-time payment to Kindertransport survivors, commemorated by a statue in Berlin, Germany.
    I'm glad they got at least that many out of the war zone. Many German children sat with their mothers in bunkers while the bombs rained upon them, burying and suffocating them.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/17/6776...nport-survivors-who-escaped-nazis-as-children
     
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    LOL!!!

    funniest thing I ever read.

    Communists believe in breaking down all ethnic/racial/cultural/religious barriers & divisions while Zionists believe in ethnic nation-states.

    Communists believe in the abolition of private property and the public/collective ownership and control of all large industries, employers, schools, banks, etc. Zionists simply want a Jewish state and care not if it socialist or capitalist.

    saying Zionism=Communism is truly absurd.
     
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    Well, you haven't heard everything yet!
    I'm too busy to argue with you. Amuse yourself with this article. It makes it clear as Klossbruehe to anyone who thinks he has eaten truth with a ladle!

    Goal of Zionism & Communism is the Same- Jewish Supremacism

    https://justice4poland.com/2019/05/04/goal-of-zionism-communism-is-the-same-jewish-supremacism/
     
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    For those of you considering such a move, be assured that it requires no preparation or scholarly research. Simply follow the guidelines below, as the revisionists on this newsgroup have done, and you'll quickly be on the road to deluding yourself that someone out there takes you seriously, and that you are valiantly fighting the evil forces of some undefined, implausible conspiracy.

    1. Creamed Mush with Fog Sauce -- Never provide evidence for your assertions. In fact, respond to demands for evidence the way Dracula responds to crucifixes. Do anything you can to avoid it. Throw insults. Change the subject. Obfuscate. Laugh derisively. Claim you already gave the evidence or that someone else did. But never provide any evidence yourself (unless you provide an incomplete or incomprehensible citation along with it).

    2. Heads-I-Win-Tails-You-Lose -- Demand that all evidence for the Holocaust be proved genuine (dodging any discussion of what that proof would consist of), and also demand that all your unsubstantiated assertions be proved false. That way, you never bear any burden of proof. (originally posted by Mike Stein)

    3. Hello, I'm a Cremation Expert -- Claim that the 52 Auschwitz furnaces could not have had the capacity to burn 4,756 corpses per day because modern commercial crematoriums don't have such a capacity. When its pointed out to you that there's no comparison between ordinary commercial crematoriums and those built in the camps, for a variety of reasons -- e.g. coffins were not used, one can cremate more than one corpse in a single retort, etc. -- ignore this and repeat the claim.

    4. And I'm a Chemist too! -- Express a series of doubts and claims about the properties of Zyklon-B, the gas used to kill people in Auschwitz gas chambers. For example, claim that Zyklon-B is not an ideal agent for mass gassing, and therefore the Nazis shouldn't have used it and thus they *didn't* use it. Even better, claim that they *couldn't* have used it because the gas lingering in the chamber after the murders would have killed anyone trying to enter the chambers to remove the corpses. When someone explains to you (countless times) that some of the gas chambers had powerful ventilation systems to remove the gas and in other cases people entering wore gas masks, argue that despite the ventilation there would still somehow be enough residual gas in the chambers to kill people.

    Keep waving a DuPont brochure around in an attempt to ward off those who know more about chemistry than you do. Also claim that ventilating the gas would cause problems to individuals downwind. When someone explains to you that the gas is lighter than air, just quietly go away for awhile or change the subject or complain about a mean word they may have used.

    5. Sticks and Stones -- If you're being wiped out with evidence and reasoning you cannot refute, you can always take refuge in complaining about the language being used by your adversaries. For example, if they say, "I've already explained that it takes less gas to kill people than lice, and therefore there are fewer cyanide residues remaining on the gas chamber walls than on the delousing chamber walls, you moron," you can respond by complaining about their use of the word "moron." You can actually evade quite a bit of serious discussion by spending a lot of time condescendingly lecturing the newsgroup about their use of trashy language. But this approach doesn't work very well in building credibility. You may view yourself as an arbiter of social discourse but you'll actually come off like a den-mother scurrying around excoriating the little Cub Scouts to behave themselves.

    6. Oh Sorry, I Ate the Last One -- Claim that Jews and other prisoners were not intentionally starved, that they were victims of food shortages just like everybody else. When it is pointed out that neither the camp guards nor people living in the vicinity of the camps starved to death, just claim that this does not prove there was an intentional starvation policy, and that if there is no piece of paper with a written order to starve people, then no starvation occurred.

    7. The "What's It Mean?" Spiral of Infinity -- Try to keep your opponents off balance by constantly shifting or questioning the definitions of words. For example, if your opponent states that historians generally agree that 1 million Jews were killed in gas chambers at Auschwitz during the Holocaust, you can ask, what do you mean by "historian" or what do you mean by "Jew" or what do you mean by "agree?" Alternatively, when confronted with the evidence that Himmler called for the "ausrotten" of the Jews, argue that ausrotten doesn't really mean extermination. When proof of that definition is provided by German dictionaries and German speakers on the newsgroup, just ignore it.

    8. Now You See It, Now You Don't -- Argue that the gas chambers never existed because they are not still standing. Of course, by this logic, the Mayflower, Carthage, Jimmy Hoffa, and large portions of the Great Wall never existed. When this is pointed out to you, ignore it.

    9. Kafka Was Here -- Argue that the gas chambers never existed because there are no photos or drawings of them. When you are presented with photos and drawings, state that they could not possibly be actual photos/drawings of gas chambers because the gas chambers never existed because there are no photos/drawings of them because they never existed because...

    10. Fun With Math -- Charge the anti-revisionists with playing numbers games while engaging in them yourself. For example, argue that the "holohoaxers" have changed the estimated number of Jews killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1 million. When it's pointed out to you that the 4 million figure was supplied by the Soviets and refers to the total number of victims, not just Jews, and has always been considered ridiculously inflated by non-Soviet historians who have never varied from the 1 million figure for Jews, just repeat that the holohaoxers have changed the number of Jews killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1 million and that the Holocaust is therefore a hoax. The point of this tactic, of course, is to try to make ALL the death figures questionable. If 4 million is unreliable, then 1 million is likewise unreliable, and you just keep revising the numbers downward until you reach zero, and then - poof! - no Holocaust!

    11. The Great Leap -- This tactic goes like this: If one piece of testimony about the Holocaust seems unreliable, then ALL testimony about the Holocaust is unreliable. If one Holocaust witness may have recanted something on the stand, then all other Holocaust witnesses are liars. If some camp prisoners did not starve to death, then NONE of them starved to death. etc. But be careful. This is a double-edged sword -- someone may use the well-documented lies of other revisionists to conclude that YOU are a liar as well.

    12. But I'm Not Anti-Semitic -- Try to find examples of misdeeds by an individual Jewish person, then imply that this makes all Jews look bad. When you are asked why you think one Jew represents all Jews but that one Christian doesn't represent all Christians, ignore the question.

    13. Grab Bag of Idiocy -- Here are a few quick claims you can easily make, although be forewarned that they will immediately make you look like an imbecile:

    • a) Claim that "the Jews" declared war on Hitler (whatever that means), and that anything he did to them was an act of self-defense;
    • b) With absolutely zero supporting evidence, claim that the corpses in the Auschwitz furnaces would have exploded, damaging the furnaces and thereby bringing the corpse cremation figures into question;
    • c) Argue that because the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC has a small model of a gas chamber and not a full-scale model, this somehow proves that gas chambers did not exist during WWII;
    • d) Argue that the existence of a brothel in Auschwitz means there could not have been gas chambers there.
    14. If you don't want to look like a total buffoon, there's always the pseudo-academic, above-the-fray approach. With a huge dose of arrogance and superiority, explain that you are neither a revisionist nor any other "label", merely someone with a healthy skepticism about everything, including Holocaust history (ALL of it), and that you are conducting your own research to determine for yourself whether certain Holocaust incidents actually took place. Pretend to be totally impartial (despite the avalanche of Holocaust evidence you would encounter the minute you actually began any legitimate research), but in your posts only question the Holocaust historians' statements, not revisionists' statements.

    15. Alternatively claim that:

    • a) the Jews in the camps died as a result of allied bombing;
    • b) the Jews weren't killed in the camps but were sent to Russia; and
    • c) the Jews never even went to the camps because the railroad capacity was insufficient. When someone points out that these are mutually exclusive, and that it would be a neat trick for allied bombs in 1944 to result in the deaths of Jews in 1942, ignore it.
    16. As for the motive behind the Holocaust "hoax", claim that the Holocaust was invented near the end of WWII by people who foresaw the establishment of the state of Israel, and also foresaw that Israel would face years of conflict with its neighbors, and also foresaw the consequent need for U.S. military and financial aid to Israel, and also foresaw possible public opposition to such aid, and so they invented a huge hoax with thousands of phony witnesses and documents so that those who might oppose the aid to Israel would feel sorry for Jews and wouldn't oppose the aid. When someone points out to you that this is sheer idiocy and that acts of genocide do not automatically turn on the aid spigot to the victims, ignore them.

    17. Although all of your arguments will be consistently blown to smithereens, just wait a few days or weeks and then re-post them.

    18. Remember that the revisionist community is peopled mainly by racists, white-supremacists, Israel-bashers, and Nazis. This means that everyone except these kinds of people will dismiss you. But don't let that stop you. Don't let your Fellini-esque, internally inconsistent, un-researched, hypocritical distortions and lies prevent you from continuing to post. After all, you're fighting for the truth (as you'd like it to be).
     
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    lol!!!!! meanwhile the Soviets purged the Jews out of all positions of power and the Communist bloc was extremely anti-Zionist starting in 1956.


    so much for your bigoted theory.
     
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    yes, it is a fact that most Holocaust Denial is rooted in obsessive and extreme hatred of the Jewish people. It always gets exposed eventually.

    I mean, just look at the Holocaust Denial posts in this forum.

    every single one of them always at one point has expressed anti-Semitic theories.
     
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    He said it wrong. Zionists don't believe in communism, socialism, or democracy for themselves, it's what they use to break other nations.
     
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    LOL!!!!!

    bla bla bla.
     
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    Another Strawman fallacy as no one in any of the holocaust related threads has denied that the holocaust happened.

    The fact is that the vast majority of people in the world (1) reject the inflated numbers and grisly fantasies promulgated the fraudulent, profit driven Holocaust Industry(2)

    People have good reason to reject the fraudulent holocaust narrative that has included grotesque fabrications such as shrunken heads, fake "human skin lampshades", fake "human fat soap" non existent "homicidal steam chambers", fictitious "Conveyor Belts of Death"(3), newly invented "vaporizers", homicidal gas chambers and outrageous "survivor stories" (4), (5).

    No, people do not reject the standard holocaust narrative because they "hate Jews".

    People who reject holocaust fictions do so because they are tired of being lied to by holocaust cult fanatics and profit driven Holocaust Industry hucksters who are insatiable in their relentless quest for more quick $ Billions.

    If it's not about the money, why, then, is no amount of money enough? (6)



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED



    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298


    (3) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death.
    These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces.
    One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (4) “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php
    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED


    (5) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED


    (6) "Holocaust Survivors' Children Sue Germany for Therapy Fees"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4952800

    EXCERPT "Suit, filed in Tel Aviv, seeks funds to pay for biweekly therapy sessions for up to 20,000 affected by the scars of their parents.

    The lawsuit marks the very first time that the German government will be asked to take responsibility and to care for those of the second generation in Israel and indeed, worldwide, attorney Gideon Fisher said before filing the suit at the Tel Aviv District Court."CONTINUED
     
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    many do

    its very clear in this forum.

    but of course there is always a few exceptions who actually respect the Jewish people, their culture and their faith.
     
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    Stalin wiped out all the jews who helped him attain power.

    But why would holocaust deniers let a little thing like facts get in the way of their regular jew hating nazi loving bullshit? Oh right they wouldn't because that would mean they'd actually have to admit that they are bigoted liars and intellectual midgets.
     
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    Speaking of facts getting in the way of a narrative, in a related thread about the holocaust, you claimed that the morgue in the Auschwitz 1 camp was designed & built as a "prototype" homicidal gas chamber.

    However, when confronted with the fact that the morgue's / "gas chamber's" drain lines are connected to other buildings and the storm drains themselves and therefore could never have served as a homicidal gas chamber, you move to to a different thread only to express the same, vulgar & slanderous vitriol(1) about "holocaust deniers" when no one has denied that the holocaust happened.

    Please explain why the detail oriented Germans would need a "prototype" when gas chamber designs were plentiful and why would they design & build a "gas chamber" with drains connected to surrounding buildings?


    (1)
     
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    Holocaust Denial is not about facts or history. It's about hating Jews.

    The proof is all over this forum.
     
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    Repeating nonsense over & over does not make it true.

    First, no one has denied that the holocaust happened, its just that most people around the world(1) reject the fraudulent yet profitable standard holocaust narrative with its inflated "statistics" & grotesque fantasies.

    Secondly, it is precisely physical realities, common sense & hard facts that make the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) impossible, not a simple & irrational hatred of the Jews.

    Among those realities that make the SHN impossible is the fact that not all Jews were persecuted.

    Some Jews were even members of the Nazi party(2) at the same time 150,000 full & mixed Jews served in Hitler's military with some Jews reaching the highest ranks and receiving Germany's highest military honors under the full knowledge of Hitler and the German High Command(3)

    The SHN is that all Jews were persecuted in Nazi Germany but the facts prove otherwise.
    Little is known about the additional Jews that not only were spared but thrived under Nazism because the SHN is so fragile that it is a crime to question it in many democracies.

    So, you see, it straightforward facts that debunk the SHN, not a hatred of the Jews.



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent."CONTINUED


    (3)"Hitler's Jewish Soldiers"
    https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587


    EXCERPT "Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s.

    Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals."CONTINUED
     
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    Meanwhile almost all Holocaust deniers in this forum have posted vile hatred against the Jewish people.
     
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    The USSR had set aside a large tract of land for the Jews.. with rolling hills, fertile land, ample water and oil and gas long before Hitler.
     
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    The Holocaust in France - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_France

    The Holocaust in France refers to the persecution, deportation, and annihilation of Jews and Roma between 1940 and 1944 in occupied France, metropolitan Vichy, and in Vichy-North Africa, during World War II. The persecution began in 1940, and culminated in deportations of Jews from France to concentration camps in Germany and Nazi-occupied Poland from 1942 which lasted until July 1944. Of the 340,000 Jews living in metropolitan/continental France in 1940, more than 75,000 were deported to death camps, where about 72,500 were killed. French Vichy governmentand the French police participated in the roun…
     
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    Late 1920s

    The failed Soviet project to build a Jewish homeland in ...
    https://www.jpost.com/Jerusalem-Report/Books-Hardly-a-land-of-milk-and-honey-472984
    Dec 17, 2016 · The failed Soviet project to build a Jewish homeland in the Russian Far East. They set up collective farms with names like Valdheim (“forest home” in Yiddish) and Yiddish became the new oblast’s official language, proudly displayed on street signs, used in …
     
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    while I think it's dumb not to believe the Holocaust happened, it should not be a crime
     
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    Hitler stirred up the hate of Jews among Christians so much that I think his supporters probably started it, and he could not lose the support of his supporters so went along with it

    stirring up hate against a group of people is dangerous
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know if Holocaust denial should be illegal or not but at least should be exposed as nothing more than hatred of the Jewish people. It's clear as day what most of their motivations are, and that is to spread hatred and animosity towards the Jewish people so that they are victims of violent oppression.
     
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    I do not even think all people that disbelieve this history hate Jews - some just do not believe.. it's a thought crime to arrest them - you can't force people to believe something they do not believe

    that said, yes, there are some that do it only because of hate, they do know it hurts the Jews to deny the Holocaust happened, so that is why they do it

    they basically take the over exaggerations of some numbers and stuff and use it to spin doubt in the whole thing

    the reality is, Hitler did many horrible things to the Jews and some exaggerations and mistruths were considered true because we hate Hitler ... as to debate it was considered a crime by many and considered hatred of the Jews, not to mention no one wanted to be seen as defending Hitler

    no one knows the true numbers of Jews harmed, we can just say a lot of Jews were harmed by fanatical Nazi Christians at the time (the whole Jews killed Jesus was a theme at the time), Hitler stirred up a hatred of the Jews that was so strong the ends justified the means to many sadly

    it's hard to believe some of that hatred exists even to this day, as seen with the chants "blood and soil, Jews will not replace us"

    at this point I think 99% of the world knows the Holocaust happened, I see no point in arresting the elderly cause they disbelieve though, that just makes the other side look bad and cruel and gives more power to the haters
     
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    Bombing of German cities served the purpose of ending war quickly.
    Killing Jews in gas chambers made no sense at all.
     

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