French lower speed limits

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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The French government have reduced the speed limits on secondary roads from 90 kmh to 80 kmh to reduce vehicle deaths.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-44472557

    Americans with guns often use vehicle deaths in defence of running about with guns.

    So as further controls are taken place on vehicles, what further controls can America take on gun safety?
     
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    First, educate yourself about guns and gun safety.
    Then realize you have preconceived if not ill conceived false Political ideologies about guns and the people that own them.

    1. There are two classes of people that own guns.

    To eliminate the first group, Criminals that have guns as part of their criminal enterprises, convicted Felons and other prohibited persons that should not have access to firearms, and excepting falsely convicted persons as well as certain victims of circumstance, there is not much that can be done except prosecution and incarcerate repeat offenders as many of them end up in the morgue as their past misdeeds catch up with them eventually.

    These are the people gun control advocates study and use in order to justify the General concepts of gun control.
     
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    For those who do not understand the metric system, the previous speed limit of ninety kilometers per hour is approximately fifty six miles per hour. The new speed limit of eighty kilometers an hour amounts to approximately fifty miles an hour.

    What this ultimately means is the government of the nation of France feels that a minor reduction in the maximum allowed travel speed of a motor vehicle, is significant enough to prevent another Nice-type attack from being carried out, and that the slight reduction will make motor vehicle-related collisions between the vehicle and pedestrians much more survivable, despite the amount of physical force being delivered by so many tons of metal moving at speeds far in excess of what any human can possibly match while on foot.

    In short, simple, easy to understand terms, nothing of significance has been done. This will certainly not reduce the number of incidents of someone deliberate applying greater pressures to the accelerator for the purpose of plowing into any convenient crowd of pedestrians for the sake of murdering as many as possible.

    And those who do not wish to be inconvenienced by restrictions being placed on their motor vehicle essentially state that some individuals dying is acceptable because of convenience. It is a double standard being applied.

    Anything that needs to be done in the united states has already been done. The laws are clearly established on what is and is not acceptable behavior with a firearm. Nothing more needs to be done, other than the laws in place actually being enforced, rather than ignored by law enforcement, prosecutors, and judges.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Guys, you're missing the point.

    On gun debates, it's claimed that there's no point in having gun legislation because vehicles cause more deaths. So here's another example where continued vehicle regulations come out in order to help vehicle safety and less deaths.

    So as more vehicle safety regulations come out, what extra gun regulations can be brought out?
     
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    When they are Constitutional, effective and enforceable.
     
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    US always had gun control? Check! Empirical evidence shows that gun control has significant positive effects? Check!

    Great to have you onboard!
     
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    Again, you ignore that the U.S.
    Had zero Gun Restrictions in 1873, as anyone with cash or credit could purchase and possess all manner of firearms.
     
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    The historians disagree with you. For someone with a love of education, you do love to hate educated viewpoint. Each to our own mind you!
     
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    Except nothing you post is related to Education, facts say otherwise.
    Historians with an Anti Gun Agenda,
    Publishing purposely rewritten history.
     
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    Ahhh, those dastard historians publishing history you don't agree with. I'm sure your counter publication, proving those nasty academics wrong, is just around the corner!
     
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    Reduce liberalism, and change the culture in ghetto America to help youngsters appreciate and take advantage of what opportunities America has to offer. That would reduce deaths dramatically and increase safety.
     
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    I must add...that it's the slow cars ...the ones just at min speed that create more havoc and cause accidents in my opinion.
     
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    You realise that liberal democratic countries have much lower crime rates than the US don't you?
     
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    Sure, as are your white papers and other published reasearch, no wait, you don't have any.......
    Never mind.....
     
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    I don't pretend to be the expert dear chap. You do don't you? It must raise bile that those professionals come out with paper after paper and you can't respond? Or are you relaxed like me?
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But just like more vehicle regulations, you need more gun regulation. Constantly try to improve vehicle safety and less deaths and try to improve gun safety and lower deaths.

    It happens with vehicles.

    Stuff this Constitutional BS.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I agree with that.

    Why is America such a big country yet so many are packed into tiny <Mod Edit> ghettos?
     
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    Right wing racial agreement! Who'd have thought?
     
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    I am not an unpaid researcher,
    And my expertise as far as firearms is predicated on my work as a LEO and certified working Firearms Instructor.

    I have responded to all of your allegations, and so far, your constant repetitions and quotes of the work of others, have amounted to very little data and much chaff.
     
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    Be precise. You're not a researcher. You sneer at those that achieve that merit. The love of education is a hardcore beast!

    What allegations are they then? You seem to want to play pretend.
     
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    Enforce existing laws. Remove unnecessary gun controls that have no impact on public safety. Make suppressors unregulated. Other than that, no further action needed.
     
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    Liberal US states with a small affluent population and 85-90% white tend to have less crime here as well. Vermont has very permissive gun laws, and it's residents have a lot of guns...but Vermont is considered the safest state in the country.

    But the problem with liberalism is that its policies and idealogy is designed to create victims from minorities, creating hopelessness, and resentfulness within these ghetto cultures. Assimilation is discouraged which hurts our minority populations by alienating them from opportunity.

    It's the ghetto pockets within major cities that make up the bulk of our gun crime. And Europe is changing...ya all will have major issues of your own if you don't act.
     
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    You have no clue about me and my qualifications, besides fishing and needless insults.
     
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    What action do you propose?
     
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    Wrong.

    Gun banners claim that guns should be regulated because cars are regulated. Gun rights people point out that despite the huge level of regulation of cars, cars kill and injure many many people.

    And we also point out that the regulators are never satisfied - they constantly ratchet up the regulation always claiming its to make cars safer (and its for the children, don't forget that). Just like France, despite all its regulations it thinks is has to "do something" so it lowers the speed limit, and it will lower it again, and again.

    So woth guns, the gun banners will always increase the regulation until guns are banned.

    Your OP supports the gun rights argument. Thanks for joining us.
     

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