So you would rather a drunken mother give birth a child she would dump every Friday night to go out clubbing with her friends?
Save the hyperbole and false labelling for an abortion thread where I have stated my views and positions.
Do you know for sure this would happen? Hell your mother could have done something harmful to you…..right? But your here aren't you? What child is born into a perfect world? What right do you have to wish away someones opportunity to live. You have no right….you are playing god.
yes. cause we all know that a child would opt for death rather than adoption any day. That is a hell of an excuse.
In my opinion, free, low cost or at cost IUDs would be more ethical than only criminalizing a medical procedure of abortion.
Know what you mean. I have a niece who likes the demon rum, the club scene, can't hold a job, is divorced AND has a son. As irresponsible as she is, she doesn't get pregnant. In this day and age, there is no excuse for getting pregnant if you don't WANT to.
I love it when chics can be girls and friends, even in the most heterosexual of manners and fashions, especially when they are willing to practice individual responsibility to go along with their individual liberty.
So the 18 year old who had her child and became more responsible owes getting her life in order to her child. Conversely, my guess is that your other friend who had an abortion and continues her party life will not live very long, or if she does, will have an empty existence later in life with no one to share it with.
Is your friend really? You've ruled out abuse and deep-seated emotional/mental health issues? I can appreciate your brutally honest judgment but also would reiterate that women are typically harder on and less forgiving of other women. It seems that when a woman is being brutally honest the accent is many times on brutally.
Let me postulate my latest and most brilliant theory about abortion. All anti-abortionists develop their ideology out of their secret regret that their mother didn't abort them when there was still time. (HAHAHA)
We all have choices in this life that have consequences that last a lifetime, and then into eternity. My girlfriend and I were in the same situation as your friend. We were very young, but we kept the baby and now she is 26-years-old. I can't imagine our life without our daughter.
In that case SS should remove the child who is ALIVE from the mother, if she is abusing them. Do you know of a perfect family? Is your family perfect no problems .no traumas ever? Yea right. No family is perfect because we are not perfect. You want to kill for the "what ifs" What if this happened what if that happened. You have no way of knowing the result of every situation. You have no right to want children killed to solve problems. God help you seriously. Hitler thought along those lines didn't he?
Many are .many aren't The truth of the matter is this. Every woman who has an abortion, kills the human living person inside her. THAT IS FACT.
How about this for honestly and truth. When I chose to abort my child I KILLED IT. I took away my childs chance at life and I selfishly used abortion to solve my problem. How is that for honesty. That is the truth .the truth is abortion KILLS. IT KILLS A LIVING HUMAN BEING IN THE WOMB AND OVER 50 MILLION HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE 1973. THIS IS WHAT THEY DON'T GET DIX. THAT ABORTION KILLS.
and we are wondering why this group here was not aborted. Haha why on earth would a mother not want to abort this pro-abort group? It is odd that those who champion abortion are here to paint bullseyes on all the unborns in the womb.
GOD BLESS YOU BLACKROOK you did the right thing on every level. And you are right the decisions we make last a lifetime and we can suffer physically and emotionally for life. You did not kill because you had a problem I did when I used abortion to solve mine. I am not a believer and Christ forgave me. I work in this field because I want to witness not only about Gods love and forgiveness but to speak to the post abortive woman and those who might think that abortion ends when you leave the surgical center for most it does NOT. Again God bless you .for the decision you made.
You killed a potential child that is true and the longer you carried that child, assuming s/he was well, then the nearer a viable child you carried. I agree. Very early on it is just cells, certainly cells which could be potential life but nonetheless just cells. Emotionally I don't agree with abortion and I doubt if many people do. I spent a couple of months earlier this year standing by someone whose husband was trying to get her to have an abortion. Eventually he agreed to accept her pregnancy. However the reality remains that women always have and always will have abortions because they feel unable to cope with the situation for a variety of reasons. The WHO believes that about 69,000 women die annually from having unsafe abortions and another 2 to 7 million suffer sustained long term damage or disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_abortion The reality is that you simply cannot just rule out abortion so what we in the West have done is harm reduction. We allow women to have safe abortions with limits - that is nowadays most are done before 8 weeks and certainly where I live it is exceedingly hard after 20 weeks which I also think is extremely late if there is not some unusual conditions. You see things too black and white. I knew a woman who attempted suicide after an abortion but she chose to have that abortion. It is a tricky area but it is one which will never be solved from a black and white view. Are you prepared to work to put into effect things which will reduced a woman's sense that this is the only way to go or is it simply seeing women as inferior. I remember the 60's when woman had babes out of wed lock and they were taken away at birth and given to someone else. Many women would choose an abortion in preference to this because contrary to what you think they do love their babies. In order to have an abortion I think a woman has to cut off from it. That is why anti abortionists flood the internet with pictures which are really advanced for the fetal development in the hope a woman will find one and not be able to have the abortion... but I think most people know if they cannot carry on the pregnancy just as others, like the woman I was with earlier this year, know that despite the rationality of the situation, it is not right for them. I believe in least harm and I think least harm is allowing women who are going to have an abortion to have one safely and get on with the rest of their lives. Treatment has come on in leaps and bounds which is why now most people can have it when it is just a few cells - the morning after pill even better. I suspect if you managed to get safe abortion illegal you would next be going for no contraception - after all that stops potential life as well. You cannot stop abortion. It has always gone on and always will go on. All we can do is make it safe for the woman who feels that is the only way she must go and if we do not like abortion also work to create conditions which make it easier for the woman to have and keep that child.
alexa said, There is nothing potential about it. It was a life. That is like saying a newborn is a potential adult, therefore its life is not worth as much. Do you know when the heart starts beating? Around 20 days after conception….20 days. That is more than just a few cells sitting around doing nothing. Yet you want it legal so people can still kill to solve problems. Right? So? Millions of people commit suicide over problems. They are child abusers…alcoholics…they go broke, they suffer disease etc… People live and they have problems. And pregnancy is only nine months…not a lifetime. How many women suffer from the abortions they had? So they have problems then on top of that they kill a living human child…and how does that add to the trauma? I know what its like. And you will never know how many suffer because this is something women don't talk about. On a forum of hundreds of women….I am the only one who will admit to having an abortion. Statistically there should be more. Why should their be limits on women? If its about privacy and about the woman's body….who has the right to stop a woman from aborting at nine months? There are late term abortion clinics all over the country. That is her choice….to end her life. How often does that happen? Should we make things legal just because people might want to do it and injure themselves anyway. Should we legalize all drugs because kids will do it anyway? Should we give them needles…so that they might be clean? Bad things happen, but we have to have laws that reflect some moral values. Abortion reflects one thing….its killing a human being. And my dear….is not gray. Life and death are black and white. She wanted to kill herself because she knew what she had done. What problem could be so bad that one would want to kill their child? Sure…choose life. Doing the right thing is never tricky. I work in this field and I meet with a lot of women…on both sides of the fence. I work with Right to Life…we go to colleges and universities…we work Womens Expos, Fairs, we pray at Planned Parenthoods…work festivals…etc I also work with an organization, Silent No More which is about talking to the post abortive women and trying to meet her needs. Well it is not love…its self love…if they would kill their child to prevent it from living. I mean I have no clue what your idea of love is…but don't think it is like what I think. Well pictures do speak a thousands words don't they. Pictures put a face on it. I remember when I was young viewing holocaust pictures. Today some people think that while it happened that we should not even show those. How about the pictures of our war heroes killed? Usually when someone opposes something they don't want pictures showed. In this case…those who champion abortion want it to continue so they would oppose showing the woman anything that would make what they were carrying human. Why else? If there is nothing wrong with abortion….why not show them? And if there is how can you be for abortion and want them hidden? The truth hurts sometimes. There is nothing wrong with showing these pictures. We live in a free country…and it is someones right to do so. Of course you do, you are pro-abortion. You think of only the woman and you deny protection for the unborn human child. You keep saying a few cells….does that make you feel more moral? REally? Most women do NOT KNOW THEY ARE PREGNANT FOR OVER THIRTY DAYS AFTER CONCEPTION. Most abortions are done….in the first nine weeks….88% according to Guttmaucher. The hearts starts beating around 20 days. What does a nine week old fetus look like? Just a clump of cells? "At 9 weeks pregnant, baby has begun movement - While still too small for you to feel, your little one is wriggling, shifting, and dancing already! Most joints are formed now - and trust that your little one is practicing bending and flexing. Fetus will curve its fingers around an object placed in the palm of its hand - This is amazing to see! At only 9 weeks pregnant, if you happen to have an ultrasound, you may observe your infant fascinated by everything he or she can lay their fingers on (mainly other fingers, toes, ears and nose! Fingerprints are already evident in the skin Average size at 9 weeks pregnant -- length 0.9 inch (2.3cm), weight 0.07 ounce (2gm)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsKz2Etf1_E Safe abortion. You think all abortion clinics in this country as up to code? Think again they are not. And many are less up to code than a vet clinic. Some conception cause abortion that is a fact and on the birth control info sheet that comes with birth control. It is already stated in the Physicians Desk Reference Guide. Sure it will. Rape has always happened, people who do drugs always will get their fix. Should we drop all laws that prohibit people from doing what they want? Should we be told we have to wear a seat belt? Killing a child is ok and legal and wearing a seat belt you can get ticketed. I can work to overturn our laws on this. And now we have closed down abortion clinics all over the country. Last year six PP clinics closed in my state alone. Laws are getting tough all over the country. Less doctors are wanting to perform them. Abortion was once considered immoral and murder. And while it is legal today…most people underneath know that it is not moral…but want abortion still legal. We can do more than just keep it safe….we can outlaw it and look how many babies would be safe.
Alexa, the "potential" human being comes into play when a man blows his wad inside the woman's vagina. There is the potential that a new life can be formed. Once fertilization occurs, the "potential" is over with, it has been realized. Nice try, but you fail again. http://m.dictionary.com/d/?q=potential&o=0&l=dir
That is one of the silliest replies I have seen. If I remember correctly a large number of embryos are lost before the mother even knows she is pregnant, never mind those which are lost for various reasons later on in the pregnancy. but now I have found what you are replying to. Churchmouse claims to have killed a potential child. Are you suggesting Churchmouse actually killed a child? If so she should be arrested immediately. An in utero foetus is not even a baby never mind a child.
