Alexa, "potential" occurs before something begins, not after it begins. Whether or not that life dies of it's own accord is irrelevant.
An 8 week embryo is not a baby. An 8 week embryo is not a child. I used the term potential to mean it could potentially happen as in the quote from your dictionary. It was not real, only potential. You are trying to act superior over make believe and I am not going to waste my energy with any more of this silliness.
Really. Libs are way fast to deny life AND liberty to other people. Or potential people. But you can listen to them scream bloody murder when they think anyone is threatening their own selfish wishes.
as you posted, the 18 year old seems more ready to be a parent then the 20 somthin year old, so they both made the choice that is right for them, but I agree, it would be easier and cheaper just to take precautions up front if she is gonna live that kinda life style
the ingredients for a cake have the potential to be a cake up until the point they become a cake, at any point before that point if you stop the process, there will be no cake once there is a cake, then you can point to the beginning of that cake, but saying the ingredients in a bowl are cake is incorrect, it's only the ingredients potential .
You've been caught out. The lifer nonsense about calling a fetus a "baby" or a "child" IS nonsense. Whether its potentially anything is irrelevant to this fact. haha I cant believe one lifer here even called a fetus a "future woman". What a load. Smoke and mirrors - that's all lifers will ever have. Manipulating language, diverting discussion and avoiding argumentation is the only defence the majority of the lifers here seem to be able to make.
feminists have tried to discourage it but if people are having babies and paying for it themselvses i got no problem. Now, You want to kill your unborn, then pay for it yourself. I don't want to pay for it. And I AM paying for it when my tax money goes to places like PP.
Dr. Alfred M. Bongiovanni, professor of pediatrics and obstetrics at the University of Pennsylvania, stated: “I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.... I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence from conception to adulthood and that any interruption at any point throughout this time constitutes a termination of human life.... I am no more prepared to say that these early stages [of development in the womb] represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty...is not a human being. This is human life at every stage.” Dr. Jerome LeJeune, professor of genetics at the University of Descartes in Paris, was the discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down syndrome. Dr. LeJeune testified to the Judiciary Subcommittee, “after fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being.” He stated that this “is no longer a matter of taste or opinion,” and “not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence.” He added, “Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception.” Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic: “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.” Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School: “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive.... It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.... Our laws, one function of which is to help preserve the lives of our people, should be based on accurate scientific data.” Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter—the beginning is conception. This straightforward biological fact should not be distorted to serve sociological, political, or economic goals.” Ashley Montague, a geneticist and professor at Harvard and Rutgers, is unsympathetic to the prolife cause. Nevertheless, he affirms unequivocally, “The basic fact is simple: life begins not at birth, but conception.” Dr. Landrum Shettles was for twenty-seven years attending obstetrician-gynecologist at Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center in New York. Shettles was a pioneer in sperm biology, fertility, and sterility. He is internationally famous for being the discoverer of male- and female-producing sperm. His intrauterine photographs of preborn children appear in over fifty medical textbooks. Dr. Shettles states, I oppose abortion. I do so, first, because I accept what is biologically manifest—that human life commences at the time of conception—and, second, because I believe it is wrong to take innocent human life under any circumstances. My position is scientific, pragmatic, and humanitarian." The First International Symposium on Abortion came to the following conclusion: The changes occurring between implantation, a six-week embryo, a six-month fetus, a one-week-old child, or a mature adult are merely stages of development and maturation. The majority of our group could find no point in time between the union of sperm and egg, or at least the blastocyst stage, and the birth of the infant at which point we could say that this was not a human life.7 The Official Senate report on Senate Bill 158, the “Human Life Bill,” summarized the issue this way: "Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a human being—a being that is alive and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings." Here is more evidence. "Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote." [England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31] "Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception). "Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being." [Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2] "The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote." [Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3] "Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life." [Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943] "Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote." [Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1] "Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity." [O'Rahilly, Ronan and Müller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}] http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html http://www.epm.org/resources/2010/Mar/8/scientists-attest-life-beginning-conception/
http://www.familydoctormag.com/sexu...in-medical-experts-debate-abortion-issue.html "In 2006, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Committee on Ethics published their opinion on Using Preimplantation Embryos for Research. In it, they say, If the preimplantation embryo is left or maintained outside the uterus, it cannot develop into a human being. Did you catch that: into a human being?" Pro-lifers say its a human from the start. How could it be anything else? Scientific and medical discoveries over the past three decades have only verified and solidified this age-old truth, says the conservative-leaning American College of Pediatricians on its website. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is not one of personhood but of development. Pro-choice docs would say that it is not their business to determine for a patient when life begins, says Diana Philip, interim executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers and its sister organization, the Abortion Conversation Project. Ultimately each patient determines the value and definition of life and that definition lies within her own mind and heart. What they are saying it does not matter the choice to kill should be EACH WOMANS. So my question is why don't you pro-aborts here just agree with this? You know its a person a new individual .I mean who are you kidding. When life starts does not matter to you even if science says that conception it is a new human life.
I hope your skank friend commits suicide before snuffing out another innocent life. Twenty something years ago my sister had a friend like that. Went through five abortions long before she was thirty. I hope she's dead too.
Thanks for sharing your opinions. That is just the kind of views I've come to expect from many who are "pro-life".
I noticed you mentioned nothing about a father so I must assume BOTH of your friends only had 'sperm donors.' That is irresponsible behavior IMO. When did women think it was OK to get pregnant and raise fatherless children? What happened to women?
Correct. Just because something is a human being does not mean it must be kept alive or protected against the interests of others, especially when it has no interests of its own. Why can you not address this point?
Typical liberal, self-hater, hater of personal responsibility and personal accountability in life............... Don't you worry, Makedde, GOD will judge her fairly and justly as HE always does........she sounds like she's headed straight for the hellfires. This is the common sight in our degenerate, Satanic society, these days. Our children are corrupted by zionist mass media, lies, failed parents, failed society, a society that has turned its back on GOD. That's good...........but, she should have WAITED FOR MARRIAGE, before having sex. She should have married a TRUE CHRISTIAN man, and started a family. Her "choice" to "go on her own", is ultimately damaging to her and her unborn child. Single-mother "families" are false, not truly families, and destined to fail. Nothing can replace a GOD ORDAINED TRUE CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE CEREMONY. Does she have a TRUE CHRISTIAN husband??? She is irresponsible. She had sex before marriage, SIN. She is a SINNER and she will suffer as a result of her ignorance and wayward path. They're disgusting, aren't they??? They cause you hatred, inside of yourself. I can feel that.......it's your JUDGMENTAL nature. You want to condemn them, and hate them, as I do, Makedde...........but, rest assured, know that GOD will sort all of these SINNERS out, one by one. Their time will come. This is called retribution, retribution for SIN. Not to feminists and liberals, abortion is the first option. Nononononoooooooo Makedde.......here is how you need to start thinking. DO NOT HAVE SEX FOR PLEASURE, SIN. Instead, find yourself a nice TRUE CHRISTIAN MAN. Marry in the HOUSE OF OUR LORD, begin a FAMILY. Never get a divorce, never even think about failure. Never allow a family to fall apart. TRUE CHRISTIAN churches exist to HELP sinners toward GOD. That's what marriage is all about. And you agree Yes, your need to CONDEMN and JUDGE them was too much. That's why you brought all of this to me. You wanted to tell me, because I am better equipped, spiritually, to deal with these kinds of matters. You want answers. You want to release this pent up hatred, condemnation, inside you. You want to "help" these sinners. But............you really don't know how to "help" them. Tell them to SEEK GOD. That is the first step to rectify these wrongs. Otherwise, they will continue to allow, to CHOOSE, Satan to guide their lives into oblivion and hellfires.
This is absolutely wrong........ If you "support" homosexuality and "homosexual rights to be gay", then YOU should practice what you preach, and go be gay yourself!!! Practice what you preach! Herterosexuals.........you know........NORMAL people, should shut their mouths when it comes to homosexuality. Heterosexuals should only promote heterosexual views, otherwise they're HYPOCRITES AND LIARS. And they are, they're liberals. They're "do as I say, not as I do"ers.
This is a lie, Makedde. You're better than this. If your 18 year old friend "did everything she could to prepare for her baby", then she'd be married to her "baby's daddy", to begin with.............SECONDLY, she'd have support, her husband, to reinforce her, help her, and be the source of strength of the family. It sounds to me like she has been very irresponsible, very much the same as the first pro-abort girl you mentioned.
Women are responsible for much of the ills of today's society. Women should be blamed more often, and more directly. Women should be ridiculed, judged, and condemned for whorish behavior, and be made accountable by people with strong morals. This sickness in our society, this cancer, is spreading all over. It needs to stop NOW!!!
