I linked you to Jeremiah 31--a quote from the Bible that talks about a new upcoming covenant. And you still go on ignorantly because---you don't care about something that helps you understand Christianity. You simply have contempt for Christians and Christianity and that is what this thread is all about. I find it weird that now you are asking for more quotes. It reminds me of this quote from Matthew 7: 6 Never give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs. Otherwise, they will trample them with their feet and then turn around and attack you.
Most religious founders never had the intent to start a new religion but to negate the corrupt religion they were born into. JC was no different. It was man that created the religion around the revolutionary figures, and generally they were as bad as what the revolutionary was negating in their teachings. And so, if you only read the Word of Christ, and ignore what man added to him, like Paul, you would have a different religion than what Paul gave Rome. Of course modern Christianity uses Paul to define the teachings of Christ. They don't start with Christ, but with paul's interpretation of Christ. Truth is, IMO, is that there is an incoherence between what Christ taught and what paul taught. I think Paul corrupted the teachings of Christ. So we ended up with Pauline Christianity, instead of the Christianity of Christ. Just an opinion.
Nicely stated. Time to break out those old Gnostic texts. Could be that those writers had a better handle on what Jesus thought and said. And Christians should take note of the proposition that Jesus had no intention of 'starting a new religion'. And the possibility (albeit probability) that Paul's Christianity is just that. Paul's distortion of what Jesus taught.
OK. Ezion Geber. Try Rabbi Nelson Glueck. Excavated a site at El-Kheleifeh believing it was the site of E.G. It was dated to the 10th Century BC. It was a bronze smelting works. Later dated from 8th century. Whether this was EzionGeber is not known. If it was it was certainly not around in the time of Moses. This indicates a late writing of the story of Moses, the Exodus and so on. There is not much information about Ezion Geber except Bible websites which would naturally agree with the bible. What little I learnt was years ago. Good luck.
You mean that all matter is evil. Our bodies are prisons from which we must escape. That Jesus only 'seemed' to be human. That we need secret knowledge to understand the scriptures. Perhaps I'll stay AGNOSTIC
Excellent post.. Archeologists have also excavated some Canaanite cities in Sinai that were involved in metallurgy, mining turquoise, and pottery making when Sinai was Egyptian... As far as I can tell Sinai was Egyptian throughout that period. There is just no trace of the 2 million Israelites and their vast herds...
What Gnostic texts have you been perusing? Not that you're inaccurate, just somewhat simplifying. Gnostics (some) did say that the world was evil (have you watched or listened to the news lately?) and deny the 'resurrection'. You don't need "secret knowledge" to understand the 'accepted' scriptures. They're ludicrous and inaccurate. A grand 'control mechanism' crafted by the early church and edited by the Romans to meet their needs.
Fortunately I was born and bred in a civilised country. England. But that's not only the pleasure but important study. If you don't know what is wrong, how do you know what is right? Because a priest tells you? By what I, and I know Margot, have studied we can refute things we know to be wrong, put in context things that are wrong, and explain ancient writings and culture. Some of the Tanakh and NT make sense in a different way to what people usually think. Knowing Jewish ritual and religion can also do the same. Christianity has assumed some of the Tanakh applies to them. Jews don't. I'd better stop.I tend to ramble.
Are they? If you had lived 3000 years ago and been told the earth revolved round the sun, the stars were suns themselves, that those things we call shooting stars were actually pieces of rock burning up in the atmosphere. What would you have thought of the person telling you. If you had been told the earth was a globe, and you wouldn't fall off the edge if you went too far over the sea. If you were a Jew who was frightened of dying outside of Palestine because Jahweh's presence was in the Tabernacle/Temple and only in Canaan so you would be outside his kingdom (Canaan) and someone told you that was wrong, what would you say? Much of the Bible makes sense in terms of the age and culture in which it was written. With our 21st century knowledge of science , history and education it looks silly. We need to know what it means to them before we criticise the Bible. It is inaccurate in many ways, but that is sometimes down to translation errors. I.e. There is no word 'Gentile' in the Hebrew Bible in terms of 'non-Jew' because it doesn't exist in Hebrew of Greek. The word Goy (nation) is the Hebrew word mistranslated in the Bible as Gentile (non-Jew). (That's it in simple terms). Other inaccuracies are simply that - inaccuracies.
I don't see how this matters, unless it was the definitive site. How about you choose the specific city that I study? Pick one that was the same city in antiquity as the one being excavated.
Had I lived 3000 years ago, or further back, I may have known that the Earth was a globe and revolved around the Sun and the stars were suns themselves etc. I think many civilizations knew or suspected that. One of the few sources of "knowledge" was the Old Testament as taught by priests and Rabbis. From Genesis they surmised that the Earth was the center of the Universe and the Sun and stars revolved around it. Knowledge lost?
Pick one that you wish. I wish you the best. There is no indication when/if the Israelites ever lived in Egypt. There no evidence that the Biblical Exodus ever occured. There's no evidence that Joshua and the Israelites ever conquered Canaan. In fact we know that Ai was destroyed a 1000 years before Joshua and never rebuilt. Possibly Jericho also, which has been destroyed a rebuilt several times. There are stopping places recorded in the Bible Exodus that have never, and probably never will be found/never existed. I simply do not believe in the Moses/Exodus story. The Jews probably came from a tribe already in Canaan which became more powerful than its neighbours. When, in the 7th century BCE, the Jews wrote their 'history' they knew current names of places that would fit in their Exodus story, and 'invasion' story. That includes the story of Abraham from 'Ur of the Chaldees'. The Chaldeans didn't come until 800+ years after ABRAHAM. However that is how Ur would have been known to the Jewish writers much later. However I don't want to get into disagreements with anyone and to discuss something/people that never existed seems pointless.
That includes the story of Abraham from 'Ur of the Chaldees'. The Chaldeans didn't come until 800+ years after ABRAHAM. However that is how Ur would have been known to the Jewish writers much later. Quite true.. and so much of the ancient Jewish stories and poetry were borrowed from the North Coast Canaanites know as the Ugarit. They were there long before the Philistines... and migrated away from the coast into the foothills of Judea.
The first indication we have of this is around the time of Socrates when some said that and built a heliotrope. There is also an indication in the Jewish style 'Why do the righteous suffer' Job narrative of some astral knowledge. I agree that some Eastern astronomical knowledge existed. How much is another thing.
That's the first indication I've found. It's recorded somewhere that a pupil of Socrates?(I think) built a heliotrope. Now it's 23.15 here in the UK and my bedtime. I leave you with this thought. Procrastination is the art of keeping up with yesterday.
Sleep well.. What is a heliotrope? Is it like a Kamal? Is it a celestial navigation device that determines latitude?
and I asked you does that make the items from the OT moot then as far as Christians are concerned. I certainly do not need your help understanding Christianity, furthermore this is nothing but the same old ploy that Christians use when faced with things they have no answers for, demean the person asking . .surprised you haven't used the "god works in mysterious ways" one yet. Yet more assumption without fact, or can you read my mind. It would, considering that you cannot supply any quotes to support your position, as they say pot .. meet.. kettle.
Ooops Orrery. As in Heliocentrism. Getting my plants (I grow 2000+ a year) muddled up with my other interest. Though a heliotrope is also a device in surveying. Similar to a Kamal.
Jeremiah 31 refers to the houses of Judah and Israel. The New Covenant belongs to these 2. Note that Israel, the dispersed Jews among the nations by the Assyrians will be returned to their land, under this new covenant. Christianity has turned a prophecy for the Jews to a prophecy about Jesus. The Tanakh is full of symbolism in the case of Prophecies. The Almond rod that Jeremiah sees in Chapter 1 is significant. It indicates a speedy, early awakening is needed for Judah. It is the earliest fruit in the Canaanite area. It's name means watchful or speedy. The enemy is gathering (seething pot). Most of Jeremiah is about the failings of the Jews and sometimes a reminder of the times they were faithful (concise explanation). Amos uses a basket of summer fruit to symbolise the end of his people. Old Testament Prophecies are about the Jewish nation.
Those laws were gotten rid of by Jesus for Christians. Our basic law is to love God with all of our heart, and to love our neighbor. Those are questions to ask of Jewish people.
