FYI, Proof is still PROOF even if it isn't "WIDESPREAD"

Watch again, concentrate on the upper-right camera. Bogus ballots from under the table, no supervision, no observers, 4 suitcases, totally illegal.

Weep, try again. I am providing some visual aid for you, green arrows point to suitcases





These folks at least will probably do time, regardless of the outcome of the election.

 

Of course they knew the cameras were there, all ballot counting and ballot canvassing is recorded and streamed

 

They must be workaholics, putting in all that extra time when no one is watching LOL

Newsflash, touching, let alone counting those ballots is ILLEGAL without observers present. Duh, sorry, your "explanation" is lame.

 

So, shouldn't we have a bipartisan way(post Trump) to strengthen the elections? We can have a Voter ID that's universal and easy(read: free) to access. I agree with Bill Clinton's proposal way back on tying it to our social security numbers. They practically ARE ID's for living here, why not for voting?

 

The "widespread" qualifier is to distinguish the type/amount necessary to skew the election (like thousands of ballots being destroyed) from the individual incidences that we know about, like that lady who pled guilty after voting for Trump twice in 2016. You make think it's silly to make such a distinction, but it's just an honest way of preempting the (often disingenuous) counter argument of "but look at this thing that happened this one time with this one person."

While we're on the subject of silly arguments, though, saying the folks asking for evidence "don't care about fraud because [they] won" or calling us ignorant is a pretty classic example of poisoning the well. So try to shame us all you want, but your glass house is extremely transparent.

 

I have no objection to any of that and I don't object to state's modifying their election laws, especially those related to mail-in ballots which might end up being necessary for future elections. If states want to enact additional security, that's fine too.

But none of that is the goal of the Trump campaign's push here. This is all about Donald Trump's ego and his inability to accept a loss.

 

Thanks for pointing that out.

Now the questions are;

Where is the footage of the ballots being hidden?

Who delivered these ballots and when?

Were there supervisors and observers there when the ballots were delivered?

Everything is recorded all they have to do is look. And you can't just cherry pick video footage to try to make evidence.

Also is this from election night or the audit where there were recounts?

These are the questions the court will ask if they haven't already. And if there is no credible answer then this 'evidence' will get tossed.

 

Let me clarify:

Counting ballots without observers is ILLEGAL, it is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

Let me also add that the number of illegally counted ballots was sufficient to overturn the result of the election in Georgia.

 

To say no one was watching is obviously inaccurate, the live stream of the counting is always monitored, and according to the Georgia Secretary of State, there was in fact an observer present. Regardless to what the Secretary of State says, he is also not the final authority in determining whether or not an observer was present, there are also agencies within the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice, as well as officials at the state level who review and investigate the counting process

According to the Georgia Secretary of State, an observer was present

 

Please don't do this trying to explain how counting ballots without observers present is not a crime when the legal statute says it is.

 

How do you know there are no observers in that room at all? Do you personally know every person in that video?

 

That's not at all what I said... what I sad was an observer was in fact present at that time, according to the Georgia Secretary of State

 

If you look at the post he was replying to(my post), it would appear he is outright ignoring information that doesn't correspond with his assumptions. He is correct that it is illegal for them to count without an observer present, however if an observer is not present, it is first up to the Georgia Secretary of State's office to investigate the matter, and according to the Georgia Secretary of State himself, there was in fact an observer present at that time.

Agencies within the Department of Homeland Security, and Department of Justice also monitor and investigate election malpractices. So far the only statements we have heard from either of these federal departments is that they have not found any evidence of mass voter fraud.

 

You forget, Trump is alleging 'dems stole the election'.

See? In order for dems to steal the election, they would, by default, require widespread and coordinated fraud, a vast .

so, irregularities here and there do not prove dems stole the election.

Capiche?

 

I don't see that as proof of anything. Let's see what the people in the video say about what was happening there, there probably is a simple explanation. Jeez', y'all assume every little damn thing is some kind of sinister conspiracy. In the past, things of this nature we find out there was an innocent explanation, remember the handful of ballots found in the trash and the right had a convulsion over it, but in the end, it was found out there was a simple mistake made by a newbie volunteer.

 

SHOCK Video From GA Shows What Happens After GOP Monitors Are Told to Leave for Night

 

So far well over 40 cases have been presented to the courts, and all have been thrown out due to lack of credible proof of any kind.

 

1) It's "Capisce", not "Capiche"

2) how is the same type of fraud happening in multiple places not "Widespread" and "coordinated"....I get that extremely large amounts are needed to overturn an election. I get that they haven't found enough to reach this consensus. What I don't get is, how in the hell is that not "coordinated"??

 

capisce
verb
variants: or capiche or less commonly capeesh or capish
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capisce

 

Biden wasn't my first choice, but I had him before Marianne Williams and Bernie but of course I would take them over the monster from Queens.

 

How many people committing traffic infractions across America on any given day? Thousands upon thousands.

Now, you wouldn't ask that question regarding traffic infractions --'is there a conspiracy?' -- but you would, on voter irregularities? Why would you do that, given that the happenstance nature of both are relatively the same. Could it because your guy lost, and this is clouding your judgement?

Bigness begets issues, irregularities and anomolies across a vast area. It would be almost improbable that it wouldn't happen.

There are thousands of election offices using different systems, and irregularities in an election the size of our national elections is the norm. The only difference with this election and prior elections is that this president is trying to poison the landscape with a bogus narrative by hyping the facts of such irregularities. It would be rather easy for a devious president whose objective was to undermine the confidence in the election in the hope of persuading state legislatures to toss aside the popular vote and installl Trump appointed electors, which is, in point of fact, precisely what he is attempting, all he has to do is point to all of such irregularities, the kind that happen in all elections, and never really noticed that much, and hype them as 'widespread fraud'. Given his base tends to believe everything he says, it would be easy to do that, noting that no other president in history has tried to do that. Trump is all alone in this regard.

However, Trump made one strategic error, none of the republican governors and state legislatures are going along with the scheme, Sure, everyone has a right to challenge, but Trump is doing much more than that, he's crossed the line by making a public spectacle of it, which is irresponsible. These lawsuits should be strictly done in court, and not over the airwaves, because doing it on TV undermines confidence in one of the core values of AMerica, and that's the democratic process, our elections. All what Trump does is convince dictators like Putin that democracy is a terrible thing, and emboldens dictators and demagogues even more.

Let me explain something to you, a man who would squelch the health care of his grand-nephew ( who has cerebral palsy) out of vengeance to spite his deceased brother's estate who are suing him because he cheated them out of their just share of Fred Trump's inheritance, isn't the kind of man who gives one rat's ass about democracy.

It begs the question, then, why is Trump doing this? Why? Have you noticed there is considerable talk in the media that Trump is thinking of pardoning himself and every one of the key players in his family? See? He's afraid of being prosecuted, and if he were reelected, it would run out the clock on the statue of limitations, He'd be home free. THAT IS WHY he is doing this.

Should we strive for elections with fewer anomalies? Sure, and we are always doing that ( no hanging chads this election, eh? ) but new systems are brought in, and new problems arise. With an election of some 150,000,000 ballots, there are going to be issues, across America, of one kind or another, but they do not equal 'conspiracy to steal the election'.

Random issues in a vast election are the norm, and they no not equal 'conspiracy'.

Trump lost, as fair and square as any other election.

FYI, 'Capiche' is an acceptable spelling. I choose it over the others because
it is far more recognizable.

https://grammarist.com/spelling/capiche/#

 

https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-21/chapter-2/article-11/part-5/21-2-483/

I invite you to peruse Georgia State election laws for yourself.

I have done so. I find no provision stating that votes cannot be counted without independent GOP or DNC observers.

If you do, please let me know.

In your 96 second video there is no clear evidence that there is not a supervisor present.

There is not evidence that the ballots counted were "hidden" . The poll workers could have been pulling suitcases out from under the tables all day for all we know, and there probably were independent observers present as that happend.

Further, this is not evidence that those votes counted were all fraudulent ballots for Biden.

Weep, try again.

 

The GA SoS said that watchers are not required to count. The law is that watchers can't be prevented from watching. They left; that's on them. Nobody told them to leave.

 

Here's the deal: individual cases of fraud are common - all big elections have some. They're crimes, and we should try to get better at stopping them, but they do not swing elections. Trump has claimed he won the election, which would require massive fraud by multiple independent entities (elections are entirely managed by states), or a coordinated conspiracy by a huge number of people - the stuff of looney conspiracy theories.

So if we said there was "no fraud", we'd easily be proven wrong by showing how one guy voted with his dead mom's ballot. Hence, we avoid that rhetorical trap by pointing out there's no evidence of widespread fraud.

See the difference?

 

The problem is that many don’t see the difference.