Gay foster dad, who left baby to die in hot car as he smoked weed, begs for freedom

Sweet, now we can agree this marijuana related offense is deserving of jail time, and any claims to the contrary are unjustified, and dangerous.

 

Nope, the other facts were, "he was a man, he was watching game of thrones". Perhaps we should outlaw men and TV series. I guess fantasy based television is deserving of jail time too...
The facts you posed were not necessarily related to the cause of death. Based on real facts and figures from kidsandcars.org it was going to happen even if he wasn't smoking marijuana.

 

It would help if you'd read the article. It was not 'unintentional' - he picked the baby up and put her in the car to keep her away from him & partner so they could smoke pot and watch tv or video, which they did for over 2 hrs..... and the temp was in the 90's.

Do you get it NOW? It was all planned out on what to do w/baby!

ALSO, there were 5 kids playing outside. If the baby had been forgotten about, the kids would have known and told the 'parents', but the kids knew she was intentionally put there to keep her away from the pot smokers........

These fun-loving 'parents' showed nothing but cold, depraved indifference towards a 10 month old baby girl.

 

Only a pot head would defend baby killing through neglect. Dude is guilty, dude got high, dude neglected his child. Dude neglected his responsibility. Dude can stay in prison where he belongs.

 

Send him to ISIS in a crate.

 

Do you have a link to that article? The one in the opening post mentions that the judge stated it was not intentional.

 

Did you even read the article?

Seems like he forgot the child in the car after driving home from the baby sitter.

 

No, i didn't see that last article, but it still doesn't matter! He had 2 kids in the car.... only 2! 1...2! Not a big number. And if you do leave a kid in the car by accident, within time, it dawns on you... well, if you have a functioning brain.

Yeah, he picked up the baby from sitter and drove home w/a babbling baby in the back seat, then totally forgot her as he rushed in the house w/pizza and pot and tv waiting for him..... no damn excuse.

 

What you described here, "forgot her", means it was an unintentional crime, and that is an excuse, and a pretty important one. Which is why he only got 32 months, and rightly so. It was such a stupid, tragic and needless death that we want to pin full responsibility on someone, but thats just not how justice should work. Both actus reus and mens rea are required.

 

It's not like he denies it. Why shouldn't it be pinned on him.... whether it was intentional or not.


I'm sure that poor baby girl would have liked 32 more months.

 

(Which pot head is defending baby killing through neglect? Was that his case?)
Dude can stay in prison; he committed a crime.

All I'm saying is that pot doesn't account for the other ~37 cases each year.
Blaming being intoxicated for this particular crime may be fair, but it's not the toxin that may need regulated, its the abuser.
Just like all those fat kids out there. It's not the toxin, its the abuser.

People will abuse anything. Guns don't kill people, and neither does pot.

 

Sorry but there is absolutely no excuse for this.... Loving parents just don't "forget" about their children... This man was selfish and he belongs in jail.

Pot or the fact he was gay plays ZERO role in any of this.... This man is an unfit father.

I couldn't even imagine leaving my child in a car... I worry just running into a gas station when my kid is in the car.

 

It is OK. You can just admit that your entire blathering nonsense about how it was intentional was a complete falsehood.

 

As already mentioned, it happens fairly often, and by loving parents. Usually, though, it can be attributed to something like miscommunication between the parents or fatigue. In this case, the dumbsh/t forgot while he was getting wasted and watching TV.

I knew a couple who did this (had a child die in a car). There was nothing 'unloving' about them. Quite the contrary, in fact. Every decision they made was with their children in mind (where to work, where to live, schedules, etc.). They were about as devoted as possible, and were ecstatic in that role. They just had another kid (may 6 months), and things were hectic, as all parents can attest. Running around in the morning getting kids ready for school, getting ready for work, etc.. There was a misunderstanding of who was going to take the baby to the sitter. Something to the effect of, it was a day she normally would, but she told him that he would have to, she thought he knew and understood, but he was answering about something else as he was running around. She put the baby in the car seat in his car, with the bag in the back seat. he went to work.

Now, it is obviously easy to just dismiss them as people who should not have kids, and point out the mistakes (should have the car seat in the middle, she should have put the bag in the front seat so he could see it, 'if they really loved their kids, they would not have made this mistake' etc.). But that view is narrow. They were responsible people who loved their kids. There was a chain of smaller mistakes that led to a huge tragedy.

 

BS, your children just don't slip your mind like some sort of mental lapse.

 

Its simply proof that the claims of people on pot related convictions dont deserve to be let out of prison, and the basic premise of pot heads being innocent of a real crime is completely false.

Furthermore, Its yet another example of the dangers of legalized pot.

 

Not when an overwhelming majority of similar cases do not involve pot at all.
Tax those hippies, they gonna smoke the (*)(*)(*)(*) anyway.

 

Irrelevant.

 

lol, great comeback, gj.

 

Why should I say that when I believe when you have just 2 kids in the car, there's absolutely NO EXCUSE for forgetting one.... NONE.

 

Oh, I don't know. Possibly because you were blathering about how it WAS intentional and they deliberately put the kid in the car so they could smoke. The link states something quite to the contrary. So, you can either admit you were wrong, or change your tact (saying there is no excuse). I see you are going for the second choice which is pretty standard fare for this board: a complete refusal to admit you are wrong.

 

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I heard of Mercedes Blair because her short life was in my little home town.

 

Do you think that all pot smokers are dangerous for non-smokers? If he's an idiot, he would do so without pot but drinking beer, f.e.

 

It's usually a horrible mistake with contributing factors. We had a man who worked nearby who thought his wife was taking their child to daycare. She had instead placed the child's car seat and child into his car to have him drop the child off at daycare. The child was asleep and the vehicle was dark when he entered it early in the morning. Apparently he didn't see the car seat and had forgotten their agreement from the night before that he would drop the child off. It wasn't until later in the afternoon when the wife texted him to make sure he had dropped her off and would pick her up on his way home that he realized what he had done. He raced out to his car and found his own child dead in the car seat. Complete accident for which he is responsible, but would more time in jail change the outcome or the remorse he has to live with forever? Or the anger and hurt his wife must feel toward the man she loves or loved? Who knows what it did to the family, and there's an innocent child dead because of human error. I'm not even sure how you, as a parent, wake up again and ever look forward to life in any meaningful way while carrying that burden of guilt. Should he be punished more or less than the individual in the OP? Both caused the death of a child under very different circumstances.

 

pot doesnt make anyone smarter.