Gays want Scott Orson Card blackballed for anti-same sex marriage views

I don't. All that kind of person does is look for and cause trouble.

 

Agreed. It's not intolerant to tell people who wish you harm that they're wrong. One should never tolerate someone who wishes to harm another.

 

That is the truth!!

 

It always amazes me when people say things like, "But you should be tolerant of the fact that I want to hurt you, politically and legally!" Are you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kidding me? That's insane.

 

Yes. One thing people who think like that mistakenly (or willingly) overlook, is that homosexual people are human beings; thus EQUAL to them.

 

That's the thing- they refuse to see us as human.

 

Yes, I am. I am intolerant of humans who view others as sub-human because of their sexual preferences. Holding that opinion is no longer socially acceptable, and should be subject to scorn and ridicule wherever it is found.

 

just as long as noone is fired who have your opinion, only people who don't have your opinion, huh?

 

Yes. Because people who don't share my opinion are wrong. Sorry.

 

I just don't want people fired from jobs for trivial stuff like opinions. If his opinions of the gay affected his comic book writing ability, caused an inferior product..... sure.

But as it stands, his private life does not affect his job and there is nothing illegal about what he does, even if you don't agree with it.

 

only if that free thought is politically correct.


MLK, Jr wasn't too popular at one time. Good thing he didn't have to get his opinions approved by the masses, back then, huh?


unpopular speech is the most important speech to protect.

 

So you would hire the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan to represent your business?

 

Was MLK trying to take away other people's rights? Was he trying to harm a group of people?

 

I guess you missed the calls to fire Ellen from being the spokesperson for JCP.

What does her sexual orientation and views on same sex marriage have to do with her ability to do commercials?

 

It;s OK as long as it's them doing the boycotting. If we do it, we're fascists.

 

ok, I will say I do agree with you guys about the Ellen thing. I do remember that, too now. I have never supported that.


agree or disagree with my opinion all you want, that happens. I strive for consistency. I can't be upset about Ellen as the JCP spokesman or demand her firing if I don't support Card getting fired. You're absolutely right. And I didn't, still don't want Ellen to get fired for it.

But here you guys are saying "I want you to fire Card because you wanted to fire Ellen" That's not a reason.... well, it is a reason, but it's a petty reason based on hatred and jealousy.



So I will say.... DON'T fire Ellen, because her beliefs don't affect that she's actually a pretty funny comic (to me) I can't stand her politics, but she hasn't seemed to preach about it so I have no issues with her modeling men's clothing.

but don't fire Card. Despite his beliefs, he's apparently a good comic book writer.


as far as other's hypocritical beliefs on the right.... I call them out on those too. Not nearly as much as I see the left do it, but there are DEFINATELY hypocrits on both sides.

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you're right, absolutely nothing.

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but if you didn't think Ellen should be fired, how can you justify Card getting fired?

 

I don't read comics, so his being hired or fired has nothing to do with my opinion.
Just pointing out that the same thing happens on both sides. I didn't even boycott CFA, but that would be impossible for me to do since I haven't eaten there in years.

It is each persons choice to buy or not buy a product. Some base their decision on price, where it was made, environmental impact, ease of access, or the political beliefs of the person or company. If you want him to keep his job, get a group together to buy out the issues he writes.

 

oh absolutely I realize it happens on both sides.... doesn't make it right. I don't read comics either, so I had no clue who this guy was. But bottom line is, is his opinion on gay marraige, doesn't affect his job performance. There are people on this thread early on I was debating, that want him fired for nothing more than they don't agree with his politics.

Sorry, that's not a valid reason. It wasn't when people were trying to tell JCP to get rid of Ellen, either.

Some have even said directly, "people against gays should be fired" (that's not direct quotes, but it's how I read it)


Unpopular speech needs protecting the most from people who think like this. I'm sorry we don't see eye to eye, but that doesn't affect my job.

The only motivation I see in cases like this where posters think Card should be fired is because they are angry and want revenge. They see him as why they can't marry their gay lover. Once it begins to affect his work, then you have a case, not until then.

 

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't even see one person in your OP saying he should be fired. I saw people saying that they wouldn't buy his comic. I saw people saying he shouldn't have been hired. There is nothing wrong with people choosing to spend their money the way they choose.
If the company loses enough money, they will fire the guy. It is all business, you have to keep your customer base happy.

 

This is really the point. Consistancy instead of hypocrisy.

I happen to think that any group can use their free speech to call for boycotts- in most cases the boycotts just make the boycotters look stupid- but they have the right to call for boycotts.

The OP called gays 'fascists' for doing such things, someone else called them the 'gay mafia'. My whole point in this thread is pointing out the hypocrisy ONLY decrying boycotts when they are against Gays.

You are the only one who made any effort to respond to my pointing out the large number of Christian and Conservative boycotts based upon individuals free speech. What my challenge to them was and is: Were these Christians and Conservatives 'Fascists' for calling for these boycotts? Were they the "Christian Mafia" or "Conservative Mafia" for calling for a boycott?

If you call gays Fascists for calling for a boycott but aren't willing to acknowledge that would make Christians and Conservatives the same Fascists you are a hypocrite.

Me? I will still read Card's books for free from the library. But I disagree with him politically.

 

I beleive they are. I'm Christian, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their tactics used over an issue we both agree on. IE - Westburo Baptist Church. It's their tactics. But they have the right to say "God hates F-ags" all they want and they should be protected despite the fact I hate their tactics. I may believe that (I don't) but I don't have to support them protesting soldier's funerals.


But yes, I do believe the gay supporters calling for the firing of Card are facists too. The thought of anyone beleiving they have the right to police my beliefs or punish me for them because they aren't politically correct.

political correctness is a product of the times, though. But free speech should be protected no matter how popular it is.

 

did you not read the originally posted article that was quoted.....

in the article, people ARE calling for it. Even on this thread, people are saying he deserves to get fired for his beliefs and his political activism on the subject. I'm not going to hunt down and requote all of those instances, but it's in there. Some are pretty militant about it too with their hypocritical anger.

 

Homophobia? Is that in the DSM-5?

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I think people who are offended by, or disagree with homosexuality should be tolerated, just as we should tolerate anyone with ideas we disagree with.

Tolerance doesn't mean to like or approve.

 

So if you feel that people who hold opinions that you disagree with should be subject to scorn and ridicule, shouldn't that work both ways?


You can have that if you wish, but it's not tolerance.

 

You didn't answer my question.