Gays want Scott Orson Card blackballed for anti-same sex marriage views

You will have to be more specific, than just, "demonize, belittle and persecute." If they are violent or harassing, then no, but then those are real actions. I'm talking about approval and disapproval. You don't have to agree with my life style, and I don't want to force you to. just don't bother me.

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It sounds like a lot of people here would think that if you disagree with Dr King, he shouldn't be tolerated.

 

That's exactly what I mean, and exactly what Card does as a member of NOM.

Agreed. So who's bothering you?

 

From your OP there is one group out of everyone quoted that is calling for firing him. That group has less than 15,000 signatures on their petition. Yet you are trying to equate this small number of people with everyone who supports SSM.

There are people that say stupid things on every side. But as one person in your OP said "Dale Lazarov, a gay comic writer, said it was counterproductive to attack Card's appointment: "I've known Orson Scott Card is a raging homophobe since the early 90s. I refuse to buy or read his work. But asking that he be denied work because he is a raging homophobe is taking it too far. Asking for workplace discrimination for any reason is counterproductive for those who want to end discrimination on their own behalf."

Seems not every marriage equality person thinks the way you seem to think they do.

 

i see what you did there.

 

Depends on the topic. If a person thinks that "n*****s are sub-human scumbags who ought to all go back to Africa", I am of the opinion that they are racist scum, devoid of redeeming character, and unworthy of my fellowship. Ditto for people who demean, belittle and demonize homosexuals, or for that matter, Jews, white people, brown people, or any other category of person. OTOH, if you disagree with my intense dislike of Brussels Sprouts, that doesn't concern me in the least, nor does who your favorite NFL team is nor whether or not you like Nascar.

Now, I believe you have the right to be a racist scumbag. You have the right to be a homophobic bigot. I'm not suggesting such things ought to be criminalized. That doesn't mean I have to like it, and if someone meeting that description worked for me and I found out about it, you can bet a dollar to a hole in a doughnut they'd be looking for a new job before the sun set.

I have ZERO use for hateful bigots in my life. And of course it goes both ways. If you want to scorn and ridicule me for being tolerant and having love for my fellow humans, knock yourself out. I have thick skin, and it wouldn't bother me in the least.

 

I'm glad Laslov is a voice of reason for that. I don't agree with his choice of using deragotory terms to describe Card. After all, if Card went public calling him a derogatory gay term (and there are plenty) then the gays would be all up in arms again.

seems derogatory terms are only 'acceptable' when used by the 'open-minded'


but about the original link and website. I don't care if it's 15,000 or 15,000,000, nothing that I've read thus far has told me Card is anything but a good comic book writer, so to fire him for sometning completely unrelated to that is absurd. I think the same if 15,000,000 people signed a petition to fire Ellen when her performance has nothing to do with her agenda. In fact, she's one of the few liberal comics I don't see trying to cram her beliefs down my throat. I know she's gay, I don't have to be reminded of it everytime she takes the stage.... and she doesn't (I don't think). Rosie o'donnell does.

but I came on here asking a simple question, what does his beliefs have to do with his job performance. I was met with responses like this....

Dental floss wants revenge so bad he can taste it. This isn't about equality, it's about revenge.

 

you have spewed more hate in your posts here than any "homophobe" in this thread. You call for lopsided justice. It's ok to call for firing people for beliefs so long as those beliefs differ from yours.

Should you be fired for being an activist FOR gay marraiges because I don't have to believe in them? Why not? Oh, right, because everyone must have YOUR opinion on controversial subjects....


you're the biggest hypocrite on this thread....

 

It's not about revenge. It will not affect my life in the slightest, as I am a happily married heterosexual. It is about my desire to see the human race reach it's full potential. We have the ability to mature into a pretty amazing species, but petty bickering over meaningless crap keeps us at each other throats. You have no reason to oppose SSM. NONE. If it passed tomorrow without news coverage, you might not notice it for weeks, months, or even possibly, the rest of your life. It is your sense of moral superiority over those "perverted f*gs" that leads you to your position, and you are afraid that somehow you will be a little less superior if they can get married. I got news for you: You're not superior whether they can get married or not. But they ARE oppressed if they can't. It sickens me, and it is just as bad as blatant racism, and it's well past time that we stopped acting that way as a species.

 

Free speech should be protected no matter how unpopular it is.

As long as you consider the Christians and the Conservatives who call for boycotts the same type of fascists as you consider Gays who call for the boycott of Card, then we are in agreement.

Thanks for responding. Not a single other poster who villified gays for their boycott has had the guts to respond.

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No- really he isn't. There is a pile of Conservatives in this thread who are only against boycotts when it is gays boycotting someone

 

none of this has anything to do with the post you quoted.

 

No one. So if you agree with me, then stop harassing people who just disagree with you.

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So you would be OK with someone who opposed homosexuality firing anyone who worked for them that they found out was gay?

 

No. You're not absorbing my message.

People who are opposed to homosexuality are immoral haters, no better than members of the Klan. Homosexuality is a perfectly normal and acceptable human condition, albeit fairly rare. Let me be clear, if you are opposed to homosexuality FOR YOURSELF, that's GREAT, I am, too. I am completely heterosexual, the idea of me having sex with another man is repulsive to me. But, though I've known many homosexuals in my day, I have never once had one try to convert me. I've been around openly bisexual men, in sexual situations, and they have, every last one of them, respected the fact that I'm not.

Your problem is you desire to cause pain to other humans simply based on the fact that they have a different sexual orientation than you. That is evil and hateful.

 

As long as people who disagree with my existence stop trying to deny me the same rights they have, sure. Until then, they should expect to be harassed.

 

Amen!! You NAILED IT, right there!!

I'm gay, and I love the people in my life enough to RESPECT them. They have nothing to worry about in me being homosexual. I don't see anyone as an object to be used, abused or possessed for my own pleasure.

 

I assume when I respond to posts from others that they are intellecually involved in the conversation and have the cognitive ability to grasp concepts beyond the confines of their narrow theories and shallow morality. Do you think thats wrong?

 

klan - hunted down and killed

"people opposed to homosexuality" - opinion different than yours

so unless a person starts hunting down gays and stringing them up from trees, you fail on so many levels....

 

I think boycotts on an organized national level are simply bullying tactics used by both sides.... not a fan of it.

I have PERSONALLY stopped watching some actors/comedians/musicians over various political issues in my day.... but I also went to Disney world the same time the church boycotted them for the gay parade thing.

it's not different than the Liberals in this thread who are only against boycotts when it is Christians/conservatives boycotting someone *cough*dental floss *cough*

 

see the only person on here that's keeping anyone at each other's throats is you. Noone has said anything on this thread about "perverted f*gs" That's a Dental Floss original for this thread.

I found this thread to be more about firing or not firing someone over their politics rather than if the gay is a pervert. You're the one that keeps bringing us back.


But please tell me, bullying someone into your beliefs under threat of their employment and future employment is helping the human race to achieve it's full potential? Doesn't seem like it to me.... but you're the one that keeps saying that's justified.


your own hatred blinds you. You tell me I have no reason to oppose... NONE, but I tell you I do, and none of those reasons has to with Christianity or racism type of 'homophobia'. But since you can't fathom anyone having a different opinion than you, you believe I must be punished into submission.

I'll even tell you I'm a teacher, too.... (oh the humanity, you must be thinking now, huh)

you know how many times the gay issue comes up during math? Well, better fire me just to be safe huh?

 

No. But nothing you posted had anything to do with what i posted. Perhaps my post was beyond your ability to comprehend?

 

Trying to draw me into a dumb or dumber cunundrum? No thanks. What I posted, since I have to explain myself in order to be understood, was in direct oposition to what you said. There. Context. I disagreed with you whole heartedly and absolutely. It was not in any way in agreement with what you said and there is where the problem lies. MaO'Bama voters are not able to process things that do not fit their understanding. It is impoossible for them to realize that others have a different view from theirs. That is why group think is so destructive.

 

I am 37 and straight, and I agree with you with not viewing others (women in my case) as objects either. But this thread is about kids..... camping in the original, and it did divert to lockerrooms, but it is intellectually true to the issue that people have with it.

Kids are irrational, not fully mature, etc. They are also sexually curious and inappropriate..... things humans tend to grow out of as they get older.


BUT, I don't want guys changing with my girls because they are sexually attracted to others in the room in the general sense. I tell my daughter NOT to send bra and panty pics for a reason. It's this same reason I don't want them in there watching her change. And co-lockerrooms now give boys a chance to check out the goods. Nothing may EVER come from that other than a kid beating off later to that mental picture, but that's a little creepy to think about and that concern is legitamate for many people.

now add gays in a similar situation? Why should I feel any less creeped out if some gay guy is the 'fox in the henhouse'

I'm not suggesting that he's going to rape my son or anyone else. But everyone has fantasized about that crush that you didn't have a chance with while jerkin the gerkin. I didn't ask out my big crush cuz I knew I didn't have a chance. A gay may never act on it, but to tell me they don't think "damn, I wish that guy was gay so I could....."

And now you have them shacking up at camp together....?

pass

 

I see. You aren't interested in actually responding to anything in my post.

rightist retards always hide from things that are beyond their comprehension

 

Disagreement is not a response? Who knew?

 

Wow. I don't know if we can trust you in the classroom around heterosexual female students. You might lose control or something. Or, maybe nothing may EVER come from that, but one of your female students will have a crush on you and later go home and beat off to your mental picture. We can't have that.

You've convinced me. We should have complete and total segregation. We wouldn't want people beating off to inappropriate mental images. Jerkin the gerkin must be stopped!! And we must find a way to prevent homosexuals from fantasizing that someone who is straight was actually not, I never realized such horrible thoughts were going on. I can't believe I never saw it before now.

 

that is in your opinion. It depends on what you use to define "opposition to homosexuality"

I don't think anyone really cares who you diddle. That is your personal choice to do that. But, if a person is against creating a new gender or race for those who engage in sex differently then no, that is not anti-homosexuality. I would say that those people understand equality more than the misguided ones who want new rules.