George Will confirms: Nixon was a TRAITOR!

Yep, and before that as well. I didn't know the Nixon sabotage was a secret; it was in all the papers at the time. so was the Republican deals with the Iranians to sabotage Carter's negotiations over the hostages and boost Reagan's election votes. Of course when Republicans do it it's okay, though, so that doesn't count.

 

Carter wasn't running for office and attempting to swing his election for personal gain. Doesn't come close to offering guns to an enemy who committed and act of war against U.S. soil, an embassy, in order to keep hostages from being released.

 

You seem to be under the false impression that 'government' only applies to the executive branch.

 

I've heard propaganda to that effect, but do you have any proof from a legitimate news source?

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Again where is the proof from a legitimate news source.

 

given the alternative was to allow a major Soviet naval base in Viet Nam, astride the major sea lanes of not only our major Asian trade routes but putting our SEATO allies in grave danger I'm more than glad he did lie, as I am glad Bush finished off Saddam and don't care whether he lied or not to do so. LBJ was absolutely right to escalate the war. Kennedy so badly botched foreign policy re the Soviet Union so badly it required such a response, as was Bush to finish off Saddam.

 

I must have missed the convention when you were elected PF spokesman. gfy.

 

one's man's juxtaposition is another man's deflection.

I was hoping to be challenged. I was hoping for some republicans to attempt to justify Nixon's behavior and paint it in some other light than treason. Instead I get, "Yeah. Well so what? Your guy did something like that too!"

quite mature. Something about someone's mother and combat boots comes to mind. Rubber and glue.

 

I'm referring to your name.

 

yet you're perfectly willing to take my tax dollars.

and my votes.

 

What bothered me at the time -- and still today -- was that rather than simply tell the nation the truth and then forde the political repercussions, LBJ and Nixon (in different ways) lied and cheated this nation into sending men into battle under false pretenses; thus they DIED and those that did not die were often changed in very bad ways as a result and it was all done while the draft was dragooning people into service against their will. But, again, that's me; and my perspective and hot button issues are not the same as most other people's.

 

I pay taxes, and am not on any sort of welfare, so I sure as hell don't take your taxes. Take that up with people who get handouts. I couldn't care less about your votes.

 

who was included in the "we" from post #19, or was it of the imperial variety? And of course you take my taxes. You benefit from the military that my taxes help support. You drive on highways my taxes help maintain. again. please gfy.

 

I love you use GFY to tell me to go (*)(*)(*)(*) myself. So tell me when you served then pal? I enlisted in the Navy on August 8th,2001 and left sometime in May, 2008. I was stationed on board 2 different ships through multiple deployments, working on the Mk-15 Phalanx weapon system, Weapons Control Officer while in CIC, and apart of the VBSS team. So unless you did anything at all with the military, your comment of me benefiting from the military your taxes support is laughable. Considering I pay the same taxes that support said highways, your argument is ridiculous.

 

I raised my hand in Tecumseh Court at the US Naval Academy on June 26th, 1968 along with the rest of the class of 1972. I graduated from there, and I served on seven different ships and variety of staffs, afloat and ashore, including a tour with the UN peacekeeping forces in Lebanon, command of a Naval Reserve Training Center, and I retired as an O-5 in September of 1993. Yahtzee. My fruit salad is more impressive than yours. My hat with scrambled eggs beats your dixiecup white hat. Now we've settled that issue, I am sure you would agree.

After retiring, I had a very lucrative second career in public utility facilities management. I have invested aggressively and wisely. So has my wife who is a medical professional. I am a taxpaying military retiree who happens to be living overseas enjoying the experience and the weather because I can afford to. I pay taxes for highways I never drive on... but you do. I pay taxes for government services I never use... but you do. You're welcome.

Any more questions there, white hat? If not, you're dismissed.

 

Yet does not trump the fact that your original post in which I replied to was extremely childish, and as someone who was an O-5, you should know better! I would have expect a much more dignified response rather than the 'oh look, a squirrel response'. I really don't see what your wife has to do with anything?

As far as paying taxes for services you don't use, that is your own choice, and continues to be your own choice for doing so. I won't owe you thanks for a single thing.

Not only that, I was born 23 years after you graduated from the Naval Academy. Given your age, you would think a more mature response would have been provided as well. I have respect for your rank, I have zero respect for YOU. Feel free to decommission yourself, list starboard or port, and submerge.

 

cute little nautical touch there at the end.... realize, of course, that I have more time singled up or backing down than you do underway. The post you initially jumped in on had to do with the topic of this thread. Do you deny that George Will has laid out a unimpeachable case that Nixon, while a private citizen, committed treason?

and my wife was mentioned only because she contributed as well to our financial status whereby we DO pay for the roads you drive on and the government services you enjoy.

 

Where's the treason? He may have violated the law, but that doesn't make it treason.

 

You must have missed the part where the Obama administration was secretly going around congress to strike a deal with the UN.

 

working against the sitting president who was trying to negotiate an end to a war in which our soldiers were dying?

 

which is their right to do under the constitution. Nixon was a private citizen attempting to derail peace negotiations by a sitting president. Of ALL the agreements between nations struck by the US over the last 100 years, over 70% of them have been without the advice and consent of congress. Very few treaties which required that concurrence have actually been signed over that period of time. I guess you missed that bit of history, eh?

 

Nonsense dude. The Republicans only posted on line what any civics major could have told the ayahtollah. ie any treaty upon which the US senate doesn't pass has no true standing beyond the current administration, truthfully no more then than that administration wishes to give it.

 

Im sorry, the president does NOT have the constitutional right to bypass congress on foreign policy.
I don't know what history books you are reading but I suggest you stick to the constitution.

It's unbelievable that you people throw anything at the wall just to see if it sticks.

 

Are you suggesting that the president cannot sign executive agreements with other nations without the advice and consent of congress? yes or no

 

I'm saying the president cannot make foreign policy on his own by going around the senate.

This is from the US State Dept.

"The United States Constitution divides the foreign policy powers between the President and Congress so that both share in the making of foreign policy. The executive and legislative branches each play important roles that are different but that often overlap. Both branches have continuing opportunities to initiate and change foreign policy, and the interaction between them continues indefinitely throughout the life of a policy".

So what that means is this, if the president bypasses the senate and strikes a deal with the UN, congress has the constitutional right to defund the UN and the monies for the president new foreign policy executive order.