Global Jihad Collection Thread.

Lolz that's a neat trick considering that the Islamic Imperialist swine have been slaughtering their way across 3 continents ever since the pedophilic genocidal war criminal Mohammad had auditory hallucinations and claimed to have talked to god herself.

 

There's nothing alleged about it it's proven fact, however, they were not working for the Saudi government, they were members of an international Jihadist organization based in Afghanistan which was part and parcel to the Taliban government of Afghanistan so thnx for (*)(*)(*)(*)ing playing.

Nope as much I despise the government in charge of the place where the pedophilic pig (*)(*)(*)(*)ing war criminal Mohammad (may (*)(*)(*)(*) be upon him) was spewed forth into this world and had his schizophrenic auditory hallucinations, the house of Saud is just as much at worth with AQ as the U.S.; whereas, AQ was part of the Taliban government, the Taliban were co-conspirators in the 9-11 attacks as AQ had a seat on their ministry of defense, formed brigades for the Taliban military, and trained in Taliban sponsored camps to launch attacks against the U.S., the Taliban was just as guilty as AQ proper.

 

I don't know the details of Ahmaddiya religious observances.

But I do think that their existance has muddied the waters in America because I think they are disproportionally common here (because they're persecuted in the Muslim world), and with them Islam does seem to be a religion of peace.

However they are certainly not representative of the main groups.

 

Indeed the few peaceful groups do not represent the vast amount of muslims who accept that their goverment put a 2nd rate status label on woman and infidels, and frown even when living in the west on such idea's.

2011.02.24 (Mahata, Iraq) - A man and his three sons are brutally shot to death by al-Qaeda fundamentalists.
2011.02.24 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A 70-year-old Christian man is stabbed to death in his home by Muslim radicals.
2011.02.24 (Ramadi, Iraq) - A Sunni suicide bomber detonates at a Shia cultural center, shredding eleven innocent lives.
2011.02.24 (Spin Boldak, Afghanistan) - Two suicide car bombers kill only the guard managing to stop them.
2011.02.23 (Landikotal, Pakistan) - Five local security personnel are killed during a Taliban assault on their post.
2011.02.23 (Assiut, Egypt) - A priest is brutally stabbed to death in his home by killers shouting 'Allah Akbar!'

 

But i thought that Islam was a misunderstood religion of peace, love and understanding?

 

Just like Christian, Judaism and other religions. Jews are either loved or hated, like Muslms, Christians or others. Some people choose to hate, others remember the Holocaust, where Muslims also saved Jews and others. It's all a matter of morals.

 

Your carrying off topic again, the thread is about the global unrelenting war of Islam on all other religions, and non devout Muslims.

 

I know the truth can be hard to bear, but let's calm down a bit, shall we?

We all agree that what happened on 9/11 was horrible and horrendous. When the twin towers fell the world's heart went out to America, the victims and their families, including the hearts of the Muslim world. http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm

Horrendous as it was, what happened on 9/11 wasn't an official declaration of war but a terrorist crime.

Now the normal reaction for any civilized country to such a horrendous crime would have been to thoroughly investigate it, then to indict the suspects and bring them to trial.
Had the then US-government done exactly that the world would look different now and quite probably better.

But it obviously wasn't interested in proper justice. It took about the Bush government just a day to name Osama bin Laden as the main culprit. The Taliban – certainly a terrible bunch – actually offered to hand him over, but just asked for one thing that is commonly agreed on in international law for extraditions: proof.
The USA refused to give any proof, probably because they didn't have any. Quite notably 9/11 is still not listed among Bin Laden's crimes in the FBI's most wanted list (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten) and as far as I know there's never been an official indictment..
On the 14 of October 2001 the USA rejected the last offer to extradite Bin Laden and instead continued to bomb Afghanistan, even though at around the same time not only the Taliban but also the United Nations human rights commissioner Mary Robinson asked for a halt of the bombing warning of a humanitarian disaster, which was exactly what happened in the following winter. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

So you see: Bin Laden could long have been fried on an US-electric chair, but instead the Americans' righteous desire for justice has been sold off by Bush and Cheney to the interests of the Oil- and weapons' industry.
The sympathies of the world – most definitely the Muslim world - for America have been lost, and idiots like Bin Laden found it much easier to find willing suicide bombers, especially after the US decided to also invade Iraq. Thousands and thousands of innocent people, including American soldiers, had to die a senseless death. All in all the number of terrorist attacks have dramatically increased but decreased due to Bush's „War on Terror“. And that's what I call „not a success story“. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...the-world-a-more-terrifying-place-438190.html

 

Wow, you must have spoken with loads of Muslims,seeing that you've got such deep and differentiated insight into their psyche!

Well, my friend is indeed not as accepting of gays as I am, but he's certainly less bigotted about gays then your average American right wing evangelical Christian. Chances are that he's also less bigotted about them than your average Anti-Muslim-Hate-Mongerer.

And I don't live in a multicultural utopia, but in a multicultural reality. It's not perfect, but I quite like it.
Gosh, if everybody around me was just the same as me, I might become totally narrow-minded and prejudiced .
Maybe you should try out the multicultural reality for a while. Just a little bit of advice: If you don't start the conversation with an insult, you might actually have a nice chat with your Muslim neighbours. Same goes for your Non-Muslim ones by the way.

 

You could say the same thing about Christians. Actually I'd go as far as to say that not only my Saxon Ancestors but also native American and South American Indians, half the African continent and most Jews would happily agree that Christians hold the world-record when it comes to slaughter and genocide. And in this record I'm not even including Bush, who also claims to have talked to God himself.

 

How do you know? Most Muslims over here where I live are Sunni I think. Some are more religiously conservative than others, but all I know are just normal people. I like some of them and I dislike some of them, just as I like or dislike other people. None of the Muslims I know dreams of jihad all day and thinks of ways how to best slaughter their non-Muslim neighbours. They just want to make a living, raise their family and lead a halfway decent life, like you and me.

And I'm pretty sure that's representative of the main groups. Islam is the second biggest religion in the world. If the majority of 1,57 milliard Muslims was as fanatic as the fanatic hate-mongerers in this forum want to make you believe, we'd definitely be in more trouble than we are in now.

 

the problem with that is you have no clue whether they are normal people, same with any other person. You however do know they commit acts of terrorism more often.

Your idea that they are not fanatical because the world is not engulfed in violence is rather strange, there dozens of hotshots due to Jihad, and the vast majority of people agree with the idea of Christians / Hindu's / Woman being 2nd rate..

There is a reason why there are no protests against the 2nd rate status of infidels in Egypt, Pakistan and Sudan, the vast majority of people agree with such idea's their religion commands it.

2011.02.26 (Faryab, Afghanistan) - A teenage suicide bomber detonates at a playing field, killing at least four civilian spectators.
2011.02.26 (Khost, Afghanistan) - Three children and four women are among nine civilians pulverized by a roadside blast.
2011.02.25 (Fallujah, Iraq) - al-Qaeda gunmen storm a home and shoot six residents to death.
2011.02.24 (Mahata, Iraq) - A man and his three sons are brutally shot to death by al-Qaeda fundamentalists.
2011.02.24 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A 70-year-old Christian man is stabbed to death in his home by Muslim radicals.
2011.02.24 (Ramadi, Iraq) - A Sunni suicide bomber detonates at a Shia cultural center, shredding eleven innocent lives.

 

Let's apply your logic to another case:

During the 70ies and 80ies in Western Germany there was a radical left wing Terror group called Red Army Faction (RAF) who were responsible for many killings and bomb attacks.

This means that during that time Western Germans in their majority were not just normal people but left wing terrorists or at least sympathizing with radical left wing ideas.

I think ..... not.

 

Mubarak, Terrorism and Their Tie
By JIM DWYER
Published: February 25, 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/nyregion/26about.html?_r=1


The blind sheik in charge of blowing up New York City had invited reporters to interview him one evening in 1993, so 57 of us stood in his bare living room. The floor shuddered every time another person or camera crew squeezed in. Then, for more than half an hour, the sheik, Omar Abdel Rahman, spoke at a dead sprint, in Arabic. The translators panted. From the sound of things, they apparently were able to render only about one phrase in English for every three he spoke in Arabic.



There were two words, though, that the sheik uttered dozens of times, virtually spitting them across the room, and which needed no translation:

“Hosni Mubarak.”

The press had come to ask Mr. Rahman about a group of his followers who had just been arrested for planting an enormous bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center that exploded around noon on Feb. 26, 1993, killing six.

The sheik waved off questions about the bombing. All he wanted to do was rage against Hosni Mubarak, who became president of Egypt in 1981 and was chased out of office two weeks ago by a mass popular uprising.

During his years as president, Mr. Mubarak — as a symbolic pincushion for a fanatical strain of Islamists, and as a surrogate for American foreign policy — was entwined in the life of New York like almost no other foreign leader.

A moment then, on the 18th anniversary of the 1993 bombing, to consider the large footprints Mr. Mubarak has left in a city where many people might not have been able to name him before the recent uprising.

Mr. Mubarak rose from vice president to president in 1981, after the assassination of President Anwar el-Sadat, an act plotted by a group for which Mr. Rahman served as emir. Though word of the conspiracy had leaked, and hundreds of Islamists, including the sheik, were rounded up, enough remained free to carry out the killing.

Those directly implicated in the assassination, or thought to be in league with the killers, were housed in a dungeon built in the 12th century. Over the years, most were set free, and Mr. Rahman moved to the United States. He had come to see it as the duty of Muslims to set off attacks against the “edifices of capitalism” because of the West’s alliance with Mr. Mubarak.

When Mr. Rahman met with reporters in 1993, he was pressed about his connection to the trade center bombers, who had attended his sermons. “This kind of question is not known except for the interrogation in Egypt,” he said.

The prisons of Mr. Mubarak were, he said, designed for degradation.

“Prisoners are tortured with electric shock,” the cleric said, “with hungry mad dogs and with a hot iron that is used on their skin and hanging them from the ceiling from their hands and feet and hitting them with sticks and wires and sexually abusing the prisoners.”

The brutality of the Mubarak prisons was a growing scandal for human rights watchers, but it did not close the circle to kill six innocent people in the trade center basement at lunchtime on Feb. 26, 1993: Monica Smith, Stephen Knapp, William Macko, Robert Kirkpatrick, Wilfredo Mercado and John DiGiovanni.

BEFORE long, the sheik was convicted of plotting new attacks, the assassination of Mr. Mubarak when he came to the United Nations, and blowing up the tunnels into New York. These schemes were discussed in earshot of a wired informant.

As one threat seemed to vanish, the Egyptian prison system remained an open sore. The movement that included Mr. Rahman gave way to one led by Osama bin Laden and his top collaborator, an Egyptian doctor, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

After the assassination of Mr. Sadat, Mr. al-Zawahiri spoke in court about the efforts to get him to confess. “They shocked us with electricity,” he said. “And they used the wild dogs!”

In “The Looming Tower,” a Pulitzer Prize-winning history of terrorism leading to 9/11, Lawrence Wright argued that humiliation in the prisons nurtured a violent rage. “Egypt’s prisons became a factory for producing militants whose need for retribution — they called it justice — was all-consuming,” Mr. Wright wrote. Even after 9/11, the Egyptian authorities were used by the United States to carry out interrogations and acts that would have been illegal for United States agents.

 

I'd be willing to believe that a lot of the Muslims in America aren't so bad. Except for some rabble rousers and unwilling relatives, in theory they came here because the wished to live in America instead of their old country. And unlike Europe hopefully they aren't just here because they couldn't get a job in the craphole they lived in before.

Well, I guess there is also the Louis Farrakhan type of Muslims here, but that rather a whole other disucssion.

But that's Muslims here.

As much as you might like to claim that extends to the whole planet because of individuals you've met, you can look up the laws in other countries. In how many of them is a crime punishable by death for a Christian to openly try and convert Muslims? How many explicitly state a Muslim must be in charge?

 

I don't claim that it extends to the whole planet because of the individuals I've met. I claim that 1,57 milliard Muslims in this world can't all be suicide bombers.

If you look up the laws in countries with a majority of Muslim citizens you can indeed see that a lot of them have a non-secular system. But I doubt that this is something inherent to the religion of Islam as such. I rather think it's to do with the fact that radical Islamism was oftentimes the only way out of colonial and post-colonial oppression for these countries.

Take a look at the history of Iran and then compare it with the history of neighbouring Azerbaijan. Both countries' population is 99% Muslim. In Iran the pretty secular and democratically elected Mossadegh was toppled by combined UK- and US-efforts and was replaced by a dictatorial shah, who was then toppled by Khomeini, radical Islamic forces having been the only remaining opposition who was strong enough to do that at the time. The Azerbaijan Democratic Republic on the other hand was the first modern parliamentary republic in the modern world. It introduced women's suffrage as early as 1918 – two years before women in the USA got the right to vote. It had its fair share of trouble in the Soviet-times and after, but is still a secular state that ensures religious freedom.
Turkey is so laicist that its Prime Minister Erdogan, who happens to be very religious, send his daughters to universities in the USA because at a Turkish university they would not have been allowed to wear a headscarf.
And if you want to dig deeper in history you'll find that when Grenada was ruled by Muslims in the early Middle-Ages it was a hotspot for religious tolerance where jewish, christian and muslim thinking came together and thrived …

All in all the Muslim world is extremely diverse, don't be fooled by those who take loony Taliban and present their views as those of Muslims in general.

 

I decided to look into that. It would seem you are simply wrong about that last bit.

I found information of this nature in a number of locations, but kept hunting till I found it on something you might not dismiss out of hand, specifically human rights watch:
http://www.hrw.org/en/world-report-2011/azerbaijan

Sounds like it might have been secular for a spell, but is reverting. Similarly Turkey was founded to be radically secular...but isn't holding on so well. All seem to be falling back into the intolerance of their holy book.

I do hold out hope that Muslims existing within other countries can manage to stay different from that.

 

Do that - I also hold out hope that the Non-Muslims in our countries can manage to stay different from that.

 

Arif Uka started taking Islam seriously at age 21. In just a matter
of months the "well-integrated" immigrant to Germany was shooting
complete strangers to death while shouting praises to Allah.


Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2011.03.09 (Cairo, Egypt) - Nine Copts, including a child, are killed and over a hundred more injured when a Muslim mob hurls firebombs and shoots into a group protesting a church burning.
2011.03.09 (Adezai, Pakistan) - A Shahid suicide bomber detonates at the funeral of the wife of a peace committee member, sending over 40 souls to Allah.
2011.03.08 (Djelfa, Algeria) - Fundamentalist bombers attack a group of bird hunters, killing five.
2011.03.08 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - A government employee is dragged out of his home and stabbed to death in front of his family.
2011.03.08 (Faisalabad, Pakistan) - Islamists detonate a massive bomb at a gas station, incinerating over thirty innocents.
2011.03.08 (Asendabo, Ethiopia) - Two Christians are killed when angry Muslims rampage through their community, burning churches and homes.

 

Most germans disagreed with the violence, not ask the Pakistani's and Egyptians if they agree with violence against non Muslims, a large part will agree.

There is no groups more responsible for terrorism then the Islamic World, it comes from the idea that violence to spread Islam is acceptable, you can not find daily massacres in the name of Hinduism, Judaims, or Christianity, but you can find them in the name of Islam, it has nothing to do with poverty, everything with religious doctrine.

2011.03.10 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - Mujahideen fire on a car containing a peace committee contingent, killing the driver.
2011.03.10 (Jolo, Philippines) - Abu Sayyaf militants detonate a shrapnel bomb outside a school, killing three innocents.
2011.03.10 (Bauchi, Nigeria) - At least three residents are killed when Fulani raiders sweep their village, shooting and burning homes.
2011.03.10 (Kunduz, Afghanistan) - A local police chief on patrol is among three people ripped to shreds by a suicide bomber.
2011.03.09 (Diyala, Iraq) - A 3-year-old girl is dismembered, and her father seriously wounded by a targeted al-Qaeda blast outside their house.
2011.03.09 (al-Makheirja, Iraq) - Mujahideen toss a grenade into a family home, killing a man and a woman.

 

Really?
Well, I wouldn't blame the Pakistanis. Not only is there the kashmiri-problem, but seeing how many Pakistani Civilians get killed in US-American drone attacks, they're bound to get infuriated with the west. "Beyond the humanitarian tragedy incurred, civilian deaths create dangerous political problems. Pakistan's new democratic government is already unpopular for its corruption, favoritism, and poor governance. U.S. strikes that take a civilian toll are a further blow to its legitimacy -- and to U.S. efforts to build goodwill there. As counterterrorism expert David Kilcullen put it, "When we intervene in people's countries to chase small cells of bad guys, we end up alienating the whole country and turning them against us."" http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2009/0714_targeted_killings_byman.aspx?p=1
As for the Egyptians: I'm sure they've mostly seen through the west's hypocrisy of talking about human rights and democracy all the time while at the same time supporting Mubarak's cruel dictatorship. But the majority of Egyptians agreeing with violence against non-muslims? So the guys on tahrir square were a minority? http://www.goddiscussion.com/40268/...lims-demonstrate-solidarity-at-tahrir-square/

I'm a bit dissappointed with you. I found it really hard to find links for these attacks other than the weird website you copy-pasted this from and which doesn't give any links either.
And you and this ominous website both missed out much bigger terrorist attacks that happened in the same time. There's definitely a lack of zeal in your 'crusade'.

What I can't fail to notice though: pretty much all of the victims of these terrorist attacks you've been 'reporting' on in this thread are not christian, hindu or whatnot, but muslim. Weird, isn't it?

 

If Pakistan is unwilling to combat terrorism which is exported then the West will do it. It seems they may get infuriated by us intervention but we may not be mad at them for allowing Jihad on their soil, and even promoting it by the ISS and exporting it to India and Europe. make no mistake, if they put enough effort to combat Jihad there is no reason for drone attacks. The ball is with them.

You might want to relook at the situation now, the solidarity was only the means to an end, Christians are 2nd rate under Mubarak, and this situation will only worsen, the recent clashes between Copts who refuse to submit into 2nd rate dhimmi status and radical islamists who insist its their right to look down on infidels show this.

http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/news/30393-unity-from-egypts-revolution-short-lived

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=211213

You seem to fail using google, let me guide you. google on location and date first, this lead to sources, on every single attack mentioned.

Only those which are 100 percent surely terrorist attacks are mentioned, sectarian violence and nationalistic struggles are not mentioned.

No not weird, those muslims are wrong for not following the JIhadists It is a bit hard for Christians of Hindu's to make up the majority of victims when most of those people already fled, died, or are in hiding.

 

slam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2011.03.12 (Itamar, Israel) - A baby and two young children are slaughtered in their home along with their parents, who fought the Muslims in vain to keep their children from being stabbed to death.
2011.03.12 (Hairdin, Pakistan) - A married couple and their four young children are turned into debris by an Islamist mortar attack on their home.
2011.03.11 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A seminary teacher is assassinated by sectarian rivals.
2011.03.10 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - Mujahideen fire on a car containing a peace committee contingent, killing the driver.
2011.03.10 (Jolo, Philippines) - Abu Sayyaf militants detonate a shrapnel bomb outside a school, killing three innocents.
2011.03.10 (Bauchi, Nigeria) - At least three residents are killed when Fulani raiders sweep their village, shooting and burning homes.
LINE

 

Oh and they're playing the ball, don't worry. Even though the Pakistani Government officially denies it so as to not to infuriate its population too much, the ISS is still the CIA's willing servant when it comes to drone attacks. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...base-for-strikes/story-e6frg6t6-1111118893683 Unfortunately though Pakistanis aren't utterly stupid, so If the USA wants to destabilize the atomic weapons carrying Pakistan even further they will just need to keep on bombing Pakistani villages.
And we shouldn't forget why there's 'jihad' on Pakistans soil in the first place. The US and their willing servant Pakistan are fighting the demons they themselves created.

Why should they have fought the Taliban as long as they were sitting in Afghanistan not bothering them? After all glorious President Bush didn't fight them either. Quite the contrary: up to a few months before 9/11 Talibans were warmly welcomed in Washington to discuss plans for a Unocal pipeline. The US basically sucked up to them to get the deal done. http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD201A.html But why bother with lenghty negotiations when you're presented the perfect pretext to flatten Afghanistan and install the Unocal-puppet Karzai? So all of a sudden the Taliban were declared evil and the Northern Alliance was fine and Laura Bush wept big crocodile tears for the oppressed Afghan women. Unfortunately Bush and Cheney were too stupid to foresee that Afghanistan would be a war-zone for years which screwed their Unocal-pals big time.

I suggest you reaxamine the situation: „Thousands of Egyptians assembled in Tahrir Square on Friday to celebrate "National Unity Friday" and call for an end to attacks against the Coptic Christian minority in Egypt.“ http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/348955
I know it's hard to match this with the preachings of Geert Wilders. How annoying for you!

That's exactly what I tried: http://www.google.de/#sclient=psy&h...n&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=b2625c49d02c0dbb
No luck. But maybe I'm just too stupid. Seeing that you find it so easy, maybe you could just quickly provide us with the links.

I didn't know places like North-Western Pakistan had ever been a Christian or let alone Hindu stronghold. But it's nice of you to admit that there are Muslims who don't follow 'Jihadists' and that there are actually quite a lot who actively fight them. Keep up the good thinking.

 

To much text for a person who has no clue, im sorry but there is no way im going over it again to proof yet again you are wrong.

It is like talking to a brick wall, when you go over that Tahir Junk again while ignoring previous links which showed increasing violence against Christians, you dont even bother to say anything relevant.

Jihad is a Islamic practice, and part of their culture. There is a reason why every single non Muslim nation bordering a Muslim nation has issues with violence.

Whether its Ethiopia, Nigeria, Israel India or Russia, they are all victims of Jihad.