God doesn't explain why there is not nothing.

The universe expands. So everything what is all around us was once in a place less little than a dot. And looks like before was no before too. So everything had a beginning. Since more than 1500 years philosophers say "God made the world out of nothing" and still today natural science is not able to falsify this imagination.

 

If we say "the universe had a first cause" then this first cause is uncaused - otherwise it would not be a first cause. So was nothing before - except god, what's our belief but not our knowledge, because we are not able to know anything about the nothing which separates us from god.

The problem is this first cause which started to bring everything into existence. A consequence is that this all what exists will also die - will also stop to exist. So why this very long way from nothing to nothing? Our knowledge is not able to say anything about, isn't it? Only our belief helps us not to become frustrated, if we take a look at such problems.

 

Thanks for clarifying.

I would agree that science cannot fully prove God as the cause but science cannot explain the cause anyway. Not completely. As I have said before, there is more to the human experience than science can explain. The human experience is bigger than science. For this reason I do not look to science alone to explain things nor do I wait for science to explain things for me.

Why is there a universe? From what we know, the conditions were just right for the unverse to form. This alone makes the idea the universe was an accident hard to believe.

 

if god made it, then there wasnt nothing as god itself would have been something.

 

First you should try to understand that god is not something and he is also not nothing. He's god. Then comes perhaps a question like: "Why and how he made it the way it is?" I'm for example not convinced Jesus came because of any sin into our world - except perhaps the sin of hate against life - he came to show to us that god knows our problems and shares our problems. His death is first of all a way to understand how important we are for god! We are his children. So we don't have to fear anything - specially not death itself or any strange truth, because there is only one truth and love will always be the fulfilling of truth.

Nevertheless it is strange that nothing what we or anyone else or anything else is doing within this universe here will have any result in the end. One day nothing will exist here any longer - including anything what we could call universe at all, if we would be able to exist, when this universe will not exist any longer.

So what to do? Why to try to save the life on our planet Earth for example, as long as everyone has enough money to buy alcohol and drugs and to live a 'happy' life far from any reality? I do not have big problems with such questions because of my belief in god and the Christian message. But not everyone believes in god. So where to find a message of hope for this people?

 

Maybe the best explanation is maybe reality by definition has something. "Nothing" is more of a theoretical concept like infinity that hasn't been shown to actually exist and even empty space has matter, energy, space, and time. God doesn't explain it because if he has part of something then how does something explain its own existing according to traditional logic? The question then becomes why is there a God instead of no God?

 

And that's exactly wrong. Empty space did not exist when the universe started to exist. When we say "the universe expands" then expands the space itself from all points into all direction. When I heard this the first time I thought "typical god" - you could fly through he universe and you would always be in be middle and see everywhere expands the space.

What? Do you understand what you ask here?

The more simple question is: "Why is anything here?" It makes no sense that something is existing. Why - for heavens sake - exists something here, if this existence here is totally senseless?

 

The question is whether we should be saying that the universe had a first cause, or possibly whether such a first cause is God in any traditional meaning. Whatever leeway we give God that allows him to exist "before", I would say it's less of a stretch to just give that leeway to the universe, instead of going to long route via God.

I dunno that it follows necessarily that all must end. If God truly created and maintains the universe, he could keep doing so, lest he change his mind.

 

nice try. That may work on second graders but, god is either something or nothing. Its literally impossible to be both based on textbook definitions.

 

Try?

... may work? ... Perhaps a kind of "word-sword-paradoxon". Words are often used like weapons. So you say here to me "Your weapons are not able to hurt me". But don't worry: I do not use weapons instead of words. And if would use weapons then "Good night, dear undear."

No. God is god. Short formula: "God made everything out of nothing".

First: Definitions are not god and our ways to think are also not god. Second: I did not say god is both. I said ... exactly ... : "god is god".

 

If god made something out of nothing then god already existed proving there was already something. Words are only weapons to those that dont like them used to prove them wrong. To most of us words have specific factual meanings which we use to communicate effectively and efficiently. Also if you make something out of nothing, then nothing is an ingredient and therefore cant be nothing, it would be something. So are you positive god made something out of nothing? That would prove me correct if thats your argument.

 

I never said or thought "god is the universe", also not the first cause of the universe.

There was no time before time. And god created all existence.

Entropy grows.

No idea what you like to say with this sentence. Why should god change on what reason which kind of mind?

 

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All somethings. God made everything out of nothing.

If god would be a something which had created all somethings out of nothing then he had made himself out of nothing.

What a nonsense. A defender is criminal in your eyes and aggression's positive.

The most people in the world don't have a good plan what they are speaking about, nevertheless they are always convinced to be right. That's for example a reason why the most people agree with the abortion of human beings on reason of human rights, what's indeed an absurdity.

That's what you think. But what for example if god made two universes? And beg your pardon now but I did not say now god made two universes!!! I use this idea now only to show to you that you do not try to think! A universe full of positive energy for example and a universe full of negative energy.

That's what I believe. God created the world out of nothing.

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If god made everything out of nothing then nothing is something or else you wouldnt need to make something out of it. And stop parsing my quote, that tactic wont work on me. We are discussing making something out of nothing.

 

If today was tomorrow yesterday, and this week was next week last week, how do we know it existed? We've seen recordings, but are they just our perceptions of nothing? Mostly, they are electrons. We can't see electrons, but we find that they are making things happen. Is something really happening because you perceive it the way you do, or is there more than one way to perceive something that has happened?

 

I don't think I suggested that you had.

That's why I mimicked your use of the word before. Whatever argument you made about god, I made about the universe. If I was using "before" incorrectly, then so were you when talking about God.

I mean, if God messed with the entropy laws in order to create life to begin with, why couldn't he do it again, or keep doing it?

 

God never explained double negatives either.

 

No. When for example a process in the vacuum is the origin of the Hawking radiation then changes this not the vacuum by converting virtual particles into real particles. You are playing with the words "nothing" and "something" that's all. I fear your problem has nothing to do with anything what I said: You are not able to think about what I said, that's all.

 

So again. I did not compare god with the first cause of the universe.

¿Nachgeahmt? ... Makes no sense in my own language to say so.

The universe is creation. God creator.

I guess you also do not understand what I said. Perhaps I'm not able to express in the English language what I think in this context.

 

I dont have a problem at all. Im not olaying with words at all. Im using them correctly according to their definitions. As a scientist I welcome debating your comments on particle physics. I just need you to form your sentences cogently.
Nothing as we are discussing is defined factually as the state of the non existance of anything. If god made it, then god of course exists and therefore proves there was never nothing. If that is not true, then god didnt always exist and therefore god was created.

 

You spoke nonsense and you know this.

¿Scientist?

You will not find me in your brain. I am not there.

Seems you are missing nothing and no one.

God created existence.

Good grieve. Do you remember by the way the reason why you said something to me? I don't have any idea in the moment what you try to tell me on what reason and why this could be important for which kind of problem.

 

yes scientist. Anytime you wish to debate this in a non crazy process let me know. You are posting videos of people singing. Thats awesomely nutbag crazy.

 

You are confusing the universe with all of reality. When I brought up empty space it was only to show that what we usually think of as "nothing" as actually something.

And to repeat my point, we have seen no examples of "nothing." In fact the existence of nothing is purely theoretical and its easily possible that the state of nothing is impossible and thats why we have never seen it. So if there is no evidence that nothing exists why are you so surprised that there is something instead of nothing as there is actually more evidence for something existing than there is for nothing existing?

 

When humans go to Mars shortly, and later a first human is born on Mars, then humanity has populated a new planet and the Earth is the Heaven from where they came from. Thus we are God, so get used to it fool